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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭Field east


    Back in the day , we called that ‘playing cowboys and Indians’. Do nothing new !,,,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Economics101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses



    Like blaming Russia for blowing up nordstream 2

    Who do you think made the statement below ?

    "Like you, I am, and I think the administration is, very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea,”

    Disinformation deflection and misinformation is used on all levels and by all parties involved during conflict



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Indeed, playing war and conflict has been a staple of outside play for ages. However, context is king and these kids are growing up in a state that has no issue with throwing them into unjustified invasions once they get old enough. This play has a little too much in common with what is actually going on out in the frontlines, compared to shooting at imaginary “ing-gens” trying to attack your Texas outpost.

    Kids don’t get how war is hell (or at least they should never experience that horror), and I remember my own childhood sense of finding military stuff to be fun & awesome, so I get how easy it can be to sell a war to young lads in particular. There is a disturbingly thin line between play war (which is fine) and giving those kids quasi military uniforms to get an official stamp on their play to enable them for actual war. The Nazis learned this one early on. If Putin’s lads start producing “Z” shirts for this kids en-masse, then getting Russia back to some form of sanity is going to be all that much harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 721 ✭✭✭farmerval


    All quiet on the western front captures all that nicely. The expectation that the Germans would win, that war would be great, just like a game really. All your community proud of you for signing up as soon as you were old enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,077 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    A general statement about something being compatible with HIMARS or MLRS or whatever, is not the same as saying 'every HIMARS launcher ever made' It just means the system in general. The link below categorically states these can't be fired from anything the Ukrainians currently have. if you wan't to keep up your insistence that this is wrong, please provide a link.

    It’s normally launched from the air and the ground-launched version does not yet exist in U.S. military inventory. It could take up to nine months for U.S. defense contractors to do the necessary retrofits....

    They will not be drawn from existing American stockpiles however, meaning it will take months for Boeing and the U.S. government to agree on the terms of the contract and get them to the battlefield. That timeline means they will likely not be available for the warm-weather offensives Ukraine is planning this year.

    Another issue is that the bomb can’t be launched by any of Ukraine’s current equipment. Ukrainian engineers have been working on retrofits for ground launchers for several months.

    And as with my lengthy earlier piece, it's clear that part of the problem behind this delay is the US manufacturing stuff from scratch because they don't want them to have the full capabilities inherent in their own inventories.

    I suspect that Ukraine will get Gayed Eagles with the range capabilities they need, sooner than this system. Unfortunately those would be vulnerable to interception so they might not be as widely usable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @cnocbui Another issue is that the bomb can’t be launched by any of Ukraine’s current equipment. Ukrainian engineers have been working on retrofits for ground launchers for several months..


    This is my final post on this, running around in circles trying to prove your right,

    Saab who produces the weapons along with Boeing have said that they can be launched from any HiMars and M270 MLRS systems,

    Now why would the manufacturer be wrong but according to your opinion pieces they need separate launchers that the Ukrainans don't posses,but the actual manufacturer says no they can be launched from any HiMars or M270s.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Yea but it's their human right to behead people. It's discrimination to say otherwise. (Exchange behead with sledgehammer, castrate, anti gay rights, rape, child abduction, molest, bribe, torture,) probably - UN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Side story but good cause

    And he is specifically involved in raising money for drones (1,400 drones so far)




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    US did alter the himars and m270 in ukraine to not be able to hit targets in Russia,this might the issue,because any normal himars and m270 system should be able to launch the gbsdb without any modifications ,as far as i know,the same way you change missile types.

    Maybe there is a range limit that was installed that needs to be altered again




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Nope. It's basically a nonsense. For a start there's direct evidence that Fiat/Italian government were paid in Russian oil. Secondly; Italy was the second biggest producer of steel in Europe after Germany. Thirdly; even if they had used Russian steel it would have been in the raw form, requiring resmelting which would drive out any impurities. Fourthly; Alfa Romeo, who were even more famous for falling into piles of rust(Alfasud anyone?) weren't even owned by Fiat until the mid 80's and got their steel from a local Italian source. Ditto for Lancia who were infamous for rusting well into the 1990's. So much so they had to withdraw from markets like the UK over the resulting scandal. No Russian steel involved in them.

    The plain fact is that most cars from all nations were rust prone pre the 90's. Fiat and other Italian brands also had to factor in industrial unrest which left unpainted shells in the elements. Then sloppy production and no rust prevention built in added to the issues. Indeed rust was still a factor in Japanese cars well into the 90's. The Japanese don't salt their roads(and most European nations didn't until the 70's) and tend to swap out new for old cars more quickly so their cars were less protected, their domestic market cars even less so.

    So in the pretty juvenile rush to claim anything Russian as the cause of all ills maybe facts should make an appearance from time to time?

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,077 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    photo_2023-02-04 14.29.53.jpeg photo_2023-02-04 14.29.37.jpeg


    Ukraine has returned 116 people from Russian captivity - Yermak.

    They are the defenders of Mariupol, Kherson partisans, snipers from the Bakhmut direction and other heroes.

    I love these prisoner swaps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭prunudo


    You know we must be going through a quiet spell of any real gains or losses on either side when the last few pages have been taken over by the classic car club! My current view on the war, I don't believe this supposed new offensive to mark the 1 year anniversary will amount to anything. Why would the Russians be keeping back vital arms, ammunition, supplies and men while they get decimated on the front lines. They're a busted flush and full of hot air.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Article states they cannot fire into Russia and/or they cannot fire long range missiles (ATACMS), 2 very different restrictions.

    I don't think it's officially been cleared up what actual restrictions were added to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,077 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui



    Har, har.

    That would explain:

    An indefinite level of terrorist danger has been imposed in the Belgorod Region, the region's governor, Vyacheslav Gladkov.

    Seems a very long way to have to source bridge bits.



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    Yes but it could be restrictions in the actual fire control unit on the Himars,with what gps coodinates and range thats its allowed to use close to the russian border.

    we dont know



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    🤣 WTF?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Dufflecoat Fanny


    If Ukraine can cut off Crimea and prevent Russia civilians from escaping they might be able to swap for all those children that were kidnapped. Bastards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    Preparing the populace for a North Korean type existence?

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The more drastic these guys become the more you know how desperate their situation is. Superpowers may get away with a lot… but Russia can’t. 😝



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    North Korean independence,lol,,thats the most hillarious thing i ever heard

    He probably ment to say isolated



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The are not so abashed to utter the absurd. Waiting for the announcement that Ukrainian women are raping Russian soldiers… for their superior Russian DNA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    if you are blind, you are blind. Cant help you. Topic was about Denmark giving more than Ireland, I said politicians are more corrupt here. The article you threw in my eyes even confirms that - Denmark ranks higher than Ireland in no-corruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Great piece from the BBC about the Ukrainian engineers who race to fix the grid

    Some snippets

    "Since October, when temperatures began to plummet, Russia has been using strikes on Ukraine's power grid to force the civilian population into submission. For two weeks, the BBC watched engineers and technicians who run the network racing to repair the damage and keep electricity flowing across the country.

    We have been asked not to reveal the precise location of some of the facilities we visit. We've also altered the names of some of the officials we meet.

    "Every time the equipment is damaged, it gets us all right here in our soul," Michael says, tapping his chest.

    Some of these huge rust-stained machines are older than the men who run them. But for Michael, the plant's manager, they're his babies.

    "It's our life. Our second family."



    "Then, even through the thick concrete walls of our underground retreat, we hear a distant explosion. There's tension in the room as the men and women check their phones. A crowded apartment block, not far away, has been hit.

    The scene, when we arrive soon after dark, is chaotic and desperate. A missile has torn a gaping hole in the middle of the nine-storey building. Thick smoke, pierced by flashlights, rises from a pile of rubble. Dozens of rescue workers and volunteers are working frantically to find survivors.

    The death toll, which mounts inexorably over the coming days, is one of the highest of the war so far. Mothers, fathers, children. Whole families.

    At the power station, the following morning, the mood is bleak. Everyone believes the missile was aimed at them."



    "Data collected by Kyiv's Energy Industry Research Centre (EIRC) suggests that about100 substation transformers, of various sizes, have been hit since October. Due to their cost and the many months it takes to manufacture them, not a single one has yet been replaced

    Serhiy points out the gaping hole in the administration building, where a bookcase and dangling light bulb are pretty much all that's left of his office. He watched the destruction from 500m away, as a "kamikaze" drone tore into the building, wrecking the control room and taking the substation offline.

    "We knew it would happen sooner or later," he says.

    Repairing the damage will take years.

    "They know perfectly well why this facility is important for Ukraine. That's why they decided to destroy it."

    You must feel angry all the time, I suggest. Serhiy is a man of few words.

    "Hate," he replies simply. "Hate towards those who came to kill my people.""

    "With Western help and several months of experience, Ukraine is getting much better at defending itself. Most of the drones fired by Russia are now shot down before reaching their targets, and most of the missiles too. Data from EIRC shows fewer than 10% of the 1,400 missiles and drones fired at Ukraine's civilian infrastructure since early October have actually destroyed key components of the grid.

    But it's still a scramble for the country's engineers to keep up."



    "Ukraine officially declared its desire to join the European grid in 2017. It's typically a lengthy process - it took Turkey 11 years - but when Vladimir Putin decided to invade last year, the process accelerated dramatically. In February last year Ukraine disconnected itself from the Russian grid for the first time, to test the country's ability to manage in "isolated mode" during the winter months, when demand for electricity peaks.

    The disconnect, the first of two, was due to take place on the 18th and last just three days. The Russians requested a delay. It eventually happened at 01:00 on 24 February.

    "We disconnected four hours before the invasion started, from this very building," Volodymyr Kudrytskyi, CEO of Ukrenergo, told me at his Kyiv headquarters.

    "When the invasion started, it became obvious we would not reconnect."

    Was the invasion timed to coincide with Ukraine's moment of maximum isolation?

    "I absolutely believe the war started on the 24th just because of this," Kharchenko says.

    Infrastructure was targeted in the early days, but not enough to plunge the country into chaos.

    "They thought we would have a national blackout," Kharchenko says. "That this would cause panic, no connection, no government, no-one knows where the president is, how to connect with your siblings, your parents."

    None of this happened."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭jmreire


    So its confirmed by the Mail.,,, RIP.

    Bodies of two British volunteers killed in Ukraine are returned by Russia as two sides swap 179 prisoners




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,419 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    On the Olympics thing, Poland says it plans to boycott any Games involving the terrorist state and reckons they can get 40 more countries at least to join them in such a boycott.



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