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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭minimary


    If the small sweeteners they offered like this had any impact on people wanting asylum seekers in their area then there wouldn't be protests. The amounts they float for these funds always sound large but when its distributed its practically nothing and doesn't seem to do anything for the local communities.

    The issue that keeps getting flagged again and again is that local communities aren't being kept informed of whats happening, then the Government will claim that going forward they will liase with local representatives and keep communities informed but never do. Informing people about things ahead of time so it doesn't go through the rumour mill would be much better than small amounts of funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭elgicko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes



    Who exactly gets access to this "international community fund"? Plausibly, it gets into the grubby hands of the usual parasites ("diversity trainers", "outreach programmes") and councillors, who are the very cheerleaders for the current charade. I'd speculate that the average person in the community will never see a cent of it.

    In any case, there's something very unsettling about the government trying to "buy off" communities like this, so as they can proceed with these plantations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Why would anyone not having a stake in the crisis industry get it?

    Bet property hatchers; owners of failed hotels and religious orders who own unsaleable rookeries up and down the country are rubbing their hands in anticipation. The latter wont be giving them away for free either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    "The schools are not full"....surely? According to those who claim Ireland is not full, the schools can't be full and more students should be taken into these schools.

    Also how many Ukrainian children will attend second level school?




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    There would be plenty school places in the City for kids who live in the city if certain schools stopped acting the bollíx.

    It's an issue that has been going on for decades.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    I see Clare county council have announced €4.5m for bits of footpaths, cycle lanes etc.

    €4.5m spread across a county doesn't deliver a lot.

    €10m across a whole country is peanuts.

    If every scout group, rugby club, OAP group, drama society etc. etc. All got an equal share they might get a couple of hundred quid each.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    Well to be fair, the increase in rents nationally, the lack of rentable properties and lack of properties to buy, would force anyone(including Irish) out onto the streets. Bit harsh saying we are a dumping ground for mainly European countries when the vast majority are here to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭minimary


    Finally after saying for months now that they'll inform local communities going forward hes admitting that they're not doing it because they're worried about the reactions people will have

    "O’Gorman then confirmed that he will “look to increase our Department’s ability to provide information when we’re opening new international protection accommodation”.

    However, O’Gorman expressed concern about the impact consultation would have on some of the demonstrations and protests seen recently.

    While making clear that he was not referencing Lismore, O’Gorman warned: “In some of the examples that we’ve seen in recent weeks, and I’m not talking about Lismore here, but in some of the examples it’s clear that no level of consultation, no level of engagement would have changed the outcomes.”"




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    One large hotel is getting almost 10m a year from them. This is such a token gesture



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 674 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    O Gorman is going to do what he likes and the mugs of irish taxpayers are just going to have to suck it up.move on nothing to see here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    That's more of it. A lot of millionaires being made here.

    Same as with COVID and people flogging PPE, providing cubicles etc.

    Some absolutely minting it, converting a COVID vaccination centre straight into the same refugee cubicles.

    No questions asked just keep pouring money at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    That's from 2004, Limerick has introduced a CAO -like system since then, where students list their preferred secondary schools and all applications are handled centrally, and still 26 pupils haven't got a place even in their 11th choice school



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    The amounts they float for these funds always sound large but when its distributed its practically nothing

    There was a €150 million scheme announced the other day for renovation/ refurbishing of unoccupied sites in town centers, and some lad on the RTE news had a plan for 3 adjacent properties, put in like 5 retail units and 15 or 16 apartments... You wouldn't be long getting through 150 million with ideas like that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,649 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Heard there was 200 missing in the UK and thought it's only a matter of time before it comes out that it's happened here, didn't think it would be quite so soon, but



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I know, my point was it has been going on for decades.

    The schools still gets final say. It was the piece from RTE.

    While the system is administered centrally, each school still applies its own individual enrolment policy in choosing which pupils to admit,

    I can guarantee you none of those 26 pupils are handy at hurling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    No level of meaningful advance consultation is ever attempted because it allows opposition to organise. There are very few communities, apart from some leafy liberal suburbs, where there wouldn't be at least some opposition. O'Gorman is correct in that consultation would not change some protesters views, but that's true of every controversial project.

    So what we see is that people are informed it's happening after the point of turning back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    O'Gorman with some big news today. If you thought we had run out of room, you ain't seen nothing yet.

    Just the 19,000 beds needed within 8 weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    In fairness, I saw someone make the valid point this week that 'consultation' could well just end up with NIMBYism i.e. the people consulted will just say 'no', no matter how much explanation and detail is given to them.

    We do have form in Ireland for a Nimby culture (it may well be a significant element in the actual housing crisis), so the consult the local community idea may not be the magic solution or ideal outcome that some imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It's hard to see how such developments are not going to end in nimbyism. What exactly are the positives of hosting such a centre in your community. A feeling of helping out is as much as you'll get.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    The state needs to step back. If you come here, find your own accomodation.

    Then they will stop coming.

    Problem solved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,048 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes indeed, but that leaves the state with a big problem as it has to place refugee centres somewhere (and they have to be in towns or urban suburbs at least......you can't just have one in a field five miles from the nearest house or shop, for all sorts of reasons).

    There are definitely no easy answers to this current situation, but I'm not sure the 'consult with the local community' thing is much of a solution either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes



    Precisely. But ROG is so clueless, he's now even backing down from the initial statement that new immigrants wouldn't be accommodated. Instead, he's "managed to locate" accommodation for most of the newly-arrived "adults without children" (i.e., single, unvetted men), completely defeating the purpose of the initial statement. So, going forward, his claims that we're full will be no disincentive for anyone to come. It really is a breathtaking level of ineptitude; just when you think he can't get any worse, he does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Knocklisheen is pretty much middle of nowhere. Nothing with a couple of miles.

    Tents in fields is fine. If they want to source better accomodation for themselves then let them off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    I saw one of those tent camps on the news last night. Men from Poland, Scotland and Portugal.

    No room at the inn for EU citizens but if you fly in from Albania and dump your passport you get a room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,959 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Or they'll dangerously overcrowd into unsuitable accomodations and they'll be wiped out in a fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭Juran


    If I worked in Scotland, Portugal or Poland and found myself without a job or accomidation, I am pretty confident the authorities would support me and not leave me homeless, until I could sort things out. Everyone needs an address to claim entitled benefits, apply for a job, apply for x,y&z. I can't understand why the EU & UK citizens are being not prioritized (accomidation needs) ahead of unvetted economic migrants arriving without visa's or passports. What is Brussles / EU doing about this ? They are quick to tell ireland to collect more taxes from multinationals, but are failing to point out Ireland's responsibility towards human rights and social protection of EU citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,686 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Consulting the community isn't an answer to finding accommodation because the obvious result is that almost every community will oppose it in some way.

    However this is meant to be a democracy, so if almost every community opposes something, one might think that the overall policy needs a rethink? That might be a bit uncomfortable for the opinion formers in Montrose and Tara St. that the nation isn't as accommodating as they would like it to be.

    If we had been able to talk about migration for the past 15 years and not called anyone who had concerns about it a racist, we wouldn't be where we are today tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Amazing how we can convert an equestrian centre into an accomodation block at the drop of the hat but if somebody wanted to develop 20 houses on the same site it could be hauled through planning for years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The name O’Gorman will be remembered for decades in this country



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