Club Championships 2022/23

gormdubhgorm · 31-01-2023 01:11PM

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Everyone in the country will be glued to it. And the attendance for the replay will go up as well I assume.

It will be interesting to see how Crokes gear themselves up for it again. Will all the players be available?

Obviously Glen will now have massive motivation to take their gifted second chance.

Naively I thought I wonder could CLG put the club final on the traditional St Patricks Day. As my mind reverted back to how things used to be done.

But I was having a look at the NFL fixtures - The Dubs are away in the Royal County on the 18th of March and the Tribesmen are away to the Orchard County on the same day. I can't see Galway allowing Crokes to keep Walsh instead.

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Incidentally my auld fella a Galway supporter claims the whole replay furore with Crokes and Glen was an honest mistake.

Because sure isn't Walsh a Galwayman and Crokes must have forgotten he played for them when they they were counting up the men on the pitch 😉

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2023 01:13PM

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They will huff and puff but they will play it. They may decide an appeal but I cannot see it being changed by the DRA. After that KC only avenue would be the courts which even if they win would taint there win.

JRant · 31-01-2023 01:18PM

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I don't have any real problem with the replay if I'm honest. However, the extra man on the field was down to the officials. The refs hand is still up when the 45 was taken because he knew Crokes hadn't made the change fully. The simple solution that would have avoid this is the ref blows up and has the 45 retaken once the sub is completed. Hopefully he's not let near a game like this again.

Players going off slowly is nothing new, that's why added time is at the refs discretion. But if you don't even give the player a chance to get off the field then it's on the officials.

JRant · 31-01-2023 01:19PM

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The replay may have to be in September depending on how the Dubs do in the champo.

thebaz · 31-01-2023 01:24PM

No doubt Glen , were wronged by the play, 45 should have been re-taken - but does it not now set a precedent where every wrong referee decision could be disputed after game, with calls for replay ?

It is an amateur game, and yet in professional rugby or soccer cant remember a game been replayed ? certainly such a high profile game

JRant · 31-01-2023 01:27PM

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Well, if you're losing a game in the last minute and have a free or 45 just take it before any sub is completed and hope the ref doesn't make you retake it. Although any half competent ref will automatically make you retake it as they would know the actual laws of the game.

big_drive · 31-01-2023 01:29PM

Presume now Kilmacud will give walkover, Glen awarded title. And that's end of it. No real winners in that scenario. Without a game played Glen can hardly feel like proper all Ireland champions

31-01-2023 01:35PM

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Why would you presume that? Or is that just your opinion?

Lost Ormond · 31-01-2023 01:36PM

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Why would Kilmacud give a walkover? The game will be replayed.

Larbre34 · 31-01-2023 01:40PM

He's right. Crokes have made it known they 'have no interest' in contesting a replay, so no-contest is the likely outcome.

Crokes will be stripped, Glen will get the Cup, but its not like they will celebrate it with any heart and Crokes have already been through the winner's pageantry, you can't take that back.

The only thing that could conceivably turn up heat, would be a ban for Crokes from the 23/24 senior comps as punishment for not fulfilling the mandatory replay.

We'd be in the High Court then

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2023 01:42PM

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It was not he was going off slowly he was not going off at all. As I said it was a tactic to slow the game down that backfired mainly because KC did not control the ball which they presumed they would if the ball went wide or Glen scored a point. But the ball went out for a forty-five.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181886#Comment_120181886

From now on when teams are two point up with a few minutes to go they will make sure if they are making a substitution that there players are coming off rather than throwing on the substitute to delay the game.

There was no tactical reason for the substitution except to delay/ slow down the game. Managers in a similar situation will be slower to press that button in future. They may opt for a single change which they have more control over

MacDanger · 31-01-2023 01:43PM

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"but does it not now set a precedent where every wrong referee decision could be disputed after game, with calls for replay ?"

In short, no. This infringement is specifically called out in the rules (along with some other things like fielding an ineligible player, etc.) and there are specific santions for it (i.e. fine/replay/forfeit) so the GAA are simply applying their own rules in this case.

Pretty much all in-game decisions that you're referring to above are essentially just down the ref and there is generally no allowance in the GAA rules for a team to challenge those decisions afterwards.

Clare in Exile · 31-01-2023 01:44PM

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There was an FA Cup tie between Arsenal and Sheffield Utd that went to a refixture. This was after Arsenal scored a goal and subsequently won when their opponents had basically stopped playing. Utd had been expecting Arsenal to kick the ball back to them after they had put the ball out to allow an injured player receive attention.

In this case the GAA have made the correct call, the integrity of the match was instantly called into question by what happened.

The only question now is when the refixture will take place...

FrancieBrady · 31-01-2023 01:46PM

Like a lot of gaels, I'd be sorely tempted to buy a ticket for the replay. There will be massive interest.

Treble double · 31-01-2023 01:52PM

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Not in my mind, I think Crokes are seriously hard done by here,but that doesn't matter now. I think they should play it now and I feel they will win it with a bit to spare even without Walsh.

Treble double · 31-01-2023 01:56PM

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Yes dangerous precedent been set. O'Sullivan for Meath took 10 steps before scoring a goal against Cork last Sunday. What's to stop Cork lodging an objection to the result.

MacDanger · 31-01-2023 01:56PM

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Surely Walsh would come home for it? It'd be hard walking back into the dressing room again if misses it because he's off on holidays

big_drive · 31-01-2023 01:56PM

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That seems to be what they've indicated all along according to people who know members from Kilmacud

Xander10 · 31-01-2023 01:58PM

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Reasonable chance I'd say. These are amatuer players that have families and jobs to concentrate on.

gormdubhgorm · 31-01-2023 01:59PM

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I wouldn't be sure about that, mindset and motivations are powerful in these type of scenarios.

Sure didn't Glass nearly win it for Glen as it was? Only for a great save from Ferris.

If Crokes go out with sulky resentful heads on them, Glen will have the advantage as they will be ultra motivated no matter what.

JRant · 31-01-2023 02:00PM

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You keep mentioning players being slow to go off. That's nothing new and has always been the case. That alone isn't grounds for a replay. The ref had his hand up yet allowed the 45 to be taken. That's the problem, right there, everything after that is caused by the ref not controlling the game.

54and56 · 31-01-2023 02:01PM

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Because according to @FrancieBrady some clickbait journo sited an anonymous "source" last week saying Crokes wouldn't play a replay which then became accepted across all the media as being the official position of Crokes as they had plenty of opportunity to deny that was their position but didn't.

You couldn't make it up...............well, actually that's exactly what happend!!

LuckyLloyd · 31-01-2023 02:03PM

Well if Kilmacud don’t play it, that’s up to them. They didn’t win it fair and square and the history books will reflect that.

The current squad got 24 hours of celebrating and the feeling of winning, but the club as a whole doesn’t get the history of the thing.

Seems fair enough

Treble double · 31-01-2023 02:03PM

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Never underestimate the power of feeling aggrieved in the Gaa

It's us against the world attitude has been a stable of management since Michael Cusack and the boys met in Thurles two centuries ago.

FrancieBrady · 31-01-2023 02:12PM

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Didn't see anyone claim it was the 'official' position, merely that 'sources' were saying that. The source also said that Crokes would launch a counter appeal which came to pass....... offically.

I suspect threatening not to replay was a way of trying to pressure the GAA. Seems to have failed.

Avon8 · 31-01-2023 02:13PM

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Of course he would. Although I dont think it'll be played so it doesn't matter

The only free date available pre March (Walsh due back with Galway in late Feb) is Saturday week, which coincides with a Glen players wedding. Would be interesting to see the Glen players reaction if its fixed for that date. They surely couldnt complain? And it would be the logical date to get the game done with asap

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2023 02:17PM

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That is an in match decision that is decided by the referee, similar to the Louth/ Meath scrum goal. This was an infringement with certain penalties associated.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120182067#Comment_120182067

No it's nothing new. It immaterial whether it's the refs or KC's fault. Glen were disadvantaged, I imagine that Mullins was marking a player or positioned to defend a high ball coming in. He would probably have been reluctant to leave the area undefended even if aware he was substituted until his replacement arrived in

The ref and linesman presumed that when the oncoming KC player picked up a man that all substitutions were complete. At the end of it KC were caught out by the fact they did not control the ball, when they presumed they would.

Glen were disadvantaged it's really immaterial by whether it was an official or by Mullins being slow to leave his position. Paul Manion had to be instructed to leave as well.

As I said teams wl be reluctant to use such a tactic again without making sure of what they are doing.

Mullins replacement should have gone I to where he was as opposed to just picking up the first unmarked player near him.

namloc1980 · 31-01-2023 02:18PM

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There's a specific rule that deals with the consequences for playing more than 15 players after the match. Of course Cork could object but they'd be laughed out of the room as there is no specific rule to deal with that post match. The penalty is solely a free kick during the match for over carrying. Not a replay or whatever you're having yourself.

squidgainz · 31-01-2023 02:26PM

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Not really to be honest , if croke beats glen again I know who will be the losers.

JRant · 31-01-2023 02:29PM

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The ref and lines person presumed all sub were complete yet the ref kept his hand up? Does not compute I'm afraid.

Look, as I said, I've no issue with the game being replayed. But the terrible standard of referring was on show again and continues to be a massive issue for the game. The officials knew 2 players hadn't left the pitch so why let the game continue.

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