Club Championships 2022/23

dxhound2005 · 30-01-2023 11:34PM

I have no idea if it is in the rules, but I never heard of the GAA imposing a very large fine. And the fine probably goes into central funds, giving no help to Glen. A possible solution would be for a normal fine, but in negotiations for Kilmacud to agree to pay big money to Glen. They are supposed to be a very wealthy club, so they could afford it.

That could solve the problem of them not turning up for the replay and possibly putting them in line for worse repercussions. And Glen could climb down on looking for a replay, which I think their heart is not really in now.

theoneeyedman · 30-01-2023 11:50PM

Brilliant idea - levy a fine on one of the richest clubs in the country to allow them to circumvent the rules and keep their all ireland title.

Even better, for next year, just open up a bidding process, and allow clubs from all over the country to bid to purchase the All Ireland Title, or would be quicker, and less hassle all around.

Jesus Wept.... Is there nothing that can't be bought??

dxhound2005 · 31-01-2023 12:18AM

The rules were circumvented over a week ago. I think a fine would be the best of the three sanctions available.

dxhound2005 · 31-01-2023 01:14AM

One of the things I expect to happen in the event of a replay is a campaign for people who paid to the first game to get in free. Money will not be relegated to a thing of no consequence by everyone. It could cost Glen a fair bit of money to organise as well, and I don't know if it depends on the ticket money how much they get from Croke Park, if anything.

My suggestion was not opening up a way for teams to buy titles. No club would put themselves through what Kilmacud are dealing with on purpose. It was human error, and I don't envy those who who have to try to resolve it.

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2023 01:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180416#Comment_120180416

There will be no fre entry, they might allow children free not sure if they paid into the first match.

You are waffling and making it up as you go along to suit your narrative.

sportsmaddad · 31-01-2023 08:48AM

GAA will impose the "standard" fine on Kilmacud. In the hope that the restart of inter County action takes the media focus away from it. Back to burying the head in the sand...

Treble double · 31-01-2023 09:02AM

My view on it is that it was an error by the officials, who restarted the game before Ctokes had an opportunity to complete the substitution.

Result stands, no sanctions for Crokes.

MacDanger · 31-01-2023 09:25AM

I think that unless Glen have indicated that they'd be happy with just a fine, then a reply should be ordered.

Whatever the outcome is, I hope that the clubs don't appeal to the DRA or whatever

keeponhurling · 31-01-2023 09:28AM

It's a messy scenario - but the one thing that IS clear is the rule. There are simply 3 options that the CCCC can choose from, it's in black and white. No ambiguity, and no different from a week ago. That has not changed. And in this case, clearly neither awarding the game to Glen or a fine are appropriate options.

People argue as to whether it was Crokes' fault, the referee's fault or a combination. But that is not relevant.

Similarly, how likely or unlikely Glen might have been to score a goal a goal v 15 men. Not relevant.

If the rule was unclear, there would have been space to fudge this, or make the "pragmatic" decision to just move on (which at this stage might be for the best, given players have moved on with their lives). But in this case, it's very hard to simply ignore the rulebook, and sets a terrible precedent.

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2023 09:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180741#Comment_120180741

The Clare V Offaly match was an error by officials. It resulted in a replay. Yes Clare conceded it early on but it was probably going to happen anyway.

It was not just a mistake by the officials, Crokes did not make any attempt to get there man off the field. Neither did the players himself.

irelandrover · 31-01-2023 09:58AM

If Kilmacud Crokes only get a fine for this then what situation is a replay or forfeit applicable? You can argue its not their fault but they played on with 16 men on the pitch. Id expect a fine for if the ball hits a player who is on their way off the pitch.

Treble double · 31-01-2023 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180818#Comment_120180818

The Meath goal being allowed in 2010 Leinster final was a mistake by the officials. Meath told the GAA to shove there replay and that was that.

There will be no replay here, those who say the rule is there in black and white about having 15 on the field are correct, Crokes will say that they couldn't humanly possibly adhere to the rule because the officials didn't facilitate it and no one can contradict that.

Mistakes happen and Glen like there manager did after the game, should have let it go.

31-01-2023 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120180869#Comment_120180869

Can't compare the two . In any game, you could find another 50 frees if every play is examined and there is no repercussions in the rule book for frees missed. There are penalties for having 16 or 17 on the field of play ( mansion was on the field of play shouting at the free taker ) if it was my club, I'd offer a replay

Treble double · 31-01-2023 11:07AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181113#Comment_120181113

There is rules in black and white about scoring a valid goal aswell. Meath broke all these rules and won the game because of it, in the last play of the game.

Meath didn't offer a replay and were proven right. I don't see any asterik beside their name in the record books of Leinster champions because if it.

Clare made a huge blunder in giving Offaly a replay in 98.

keeponhurling · 31-01-2023 11:09AM

There is definitely a massive asterisk besides Meath's Leinster title in everyone's minds

FrancieBrady · 31-01-2023 12:18PM

Replay it is.

MacDanger · 31-01-2023 12:27PM

Correct decision IMO. I think Crokes winning the replay would ultimately be the cleanest outcome for everyone

FrancieBrady · 31-01-2023 12:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181557#Comment_120181557

Whoever wins on a level playing field is the 'cleanest outcome'.

tanko · 31-01-2023 12:38PM

The only logical outcome. If teams could have 16 players on the pitch and be allowed get away with it then everyone would be throwing twenty or twenty five players on.

Treble double · 31-01-2023 12:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181505#Comment_120181505

I got that one wrong didn't see them come up with that decision.

Crokes can appeal, but I hope they don't, they should just go out and play it now.

Good chance for Glen now with Walsh away but Crokes will be coming into it with a serious grudge, if it's half as good as the first game it will be worth watching.

YabaDabaDooley · 31-01-2023 12:39PM

Fair outcome imo. Hope Crokes go on and win it now.

YabaDabaDooley · 31-01-2023 12:44PM

Just when Robbie Brennan, Kilmacud Crokes manager, thought it was safe to delete the Kilcoo team celebrating screensaver on his phone, he may have to change it now to the GAA rule book.

farmingquestion · 31-01-2023 12:49PM

Transfer market is still open until midnight tonight if Walsh can't come back from his studies in Australia.

thebaz · 31-01-2023 01:00PM

hope official who refused to get 45 re-taken is equally penalised too.

Avon8 · 31-01-2023 01:00PM

Will Rory Gallagher let his players away to train in advance of and play this game? Has to be doubtful judging by Saturday just gone

Next weekend free is 11th of Feb which coincides with Emmett Bradleys wedding. Surely the Glen lads wouldn't want it on that weekend but can't see how that could be a factor for the GAA delaying it any further

This is all of course on the assumption that KC agree to play the game

54and56 · 31-01-2023 01:00PM

Has a provisional date and location been set for the replay? (Assuming Crokes don't make an appeal or any appeal they do make isn't successful.)

31-01-2023 01:04PM

Correct decision.

sheroman01 · 31-01-2023 01:07PM

What's the chances of Crokes forfeiting the replay.

Bass Reeves · 31-01-2023 01:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120181621#Comment_120181621

A replay was always the most likely outcome. Whether it was an officials fault or KC's.

There was only one score in the game. Just watching a league game last Sunday you wonder how the extra KC player did not see the board or no KC player near he said to him you are substituted you have to leave the pitch. Even Mannion was slow going off. It was a time wasting/ slowing the game down tactic that backfired.

FintanMcluskey · 31-01-2023 01:08PM

There will be 2 loosers in the replay.

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