Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Everyone is entitled to their view. Freedom of speech and all that malarky.

How many religious nuts are known for their common sense? But yes, I would expect the Courts to eventually tell him to fcuk off.

You are a funny person.

Hammi? 🤣🤣🤣

No. Ammi

Like I said, you seem to have difficulty observing what your argument is, you are arguing that I wouldn't participate in calling people by their preferred pronouns, I have absolutely no issue with going along with this if it what that person wishes, this would take no effort on my part and I would do it gladly if it makes them feel any more comfortable, but that's been completely overlooked by hopping up onto the woke horse, completely ignorant that you are actually enforcing your views onto someone else, then proposing bigotry, give it a break will ya

Did the pupil have a new name? I just presumed they were non binary not transgender. Not sure about the specifics.

But even with that if Enoch had dug his heels and just refused to follow the schools direction on this issue, but not break any other rules or be abusive towards the principal I wonder how far the case would have went.

Just to be clear I think Enoch is despicable in his actions right from the start, I have zero respect for his position.

I'm just wondering what is the precise legal position. (I don't know just asking)

The correct moral and human position is clear for me.

This case has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with a man trying to bully his boss to get his way. And then trying to ignore the inevitable consequences of his action.

The main cases that springs to my mind with moral/religion v rights of the individual. Is the X case obviously.

And there was another one involving Jehovah a witnesses and blood transfusions. Name escapes me on the latter case.

But to me this scenario Burke v Wilson Hospital/Transgenderism is of similar tone the only difference is Religious Beliefs/religious doctrines are firmly relegated in the majority of the minds of Irish society.

The old religious doctrines have been replaced by the rights of the individual and an individuals freedom. Not that of collective - governed by what is morally right or wrong based on religion

.The new Irish society majority doctrine is based on how an individual feels at any particular moment in time.

No longer based on a set of principles/guidelines and rules of behaviour by which to live. It is now individualism rather than collectivism.

it is the explanation that a court agreed with.

The actual court case in this situation has nothing to do with religion or pronouns or transgenderism or any of that stuff.

A court order applied a court against Enoch because he kept attending while suspended. The court had nothing to do with the original suspension, that was between Enoch and the school.

Enoch current legal trouble is because he refused to obey the court order. simple as that.

The Court or the legal have zero interest in his dealings with the school prior to him refusing to obey a court order.

Why is this so difficult for some to understand.

Tbf, if it is school policy to agree with a student's wish to be called by a new name and by their preferred pronouns, teachers effectively have no choice but to do so.

Yes, a teacher could avoid using 'they' by always using their name, but if a person has an issue with use of the new pronouns, I assume that use of the new name is just as much of an issue as the pronouns, for the same reason.

Now, in Enoch's case, he may not ever have had to address/discuss the student in question, but in terms of this being a general policy across schools, that's beside the point - I think that teachers are effectively forced to use the preferred pronouns and preferred name.

What would happen if a teacher simply carried on using their previous name and the same pronouns as previously? I'd expect that there would, eventually, be consequences of some kind.

Now, I don't have any problems with such a policy, and I wouldn't feel 'forced' to use their new name or preferred pronouns, but I think 'forced' is an accurate word all the same.