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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,239 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Good lord! lol i can't stop laughing...you will be like one of those grandparents who tells their grandkids i voted for the blueshirts hahaaha that is hilarious!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 266 ✭✭high_tower


    diversity has plenty of positives. As long as it’s the right balance of numbers, culture and integration.

    Questioning why thousands upon thousands of young men are illegally flooding in from counties like Somalia , Algeria and Albania and being dumped all over the country with absolutely no future plans on what to do with them is not right wing.

    I don’t particularly care about them , but if you did then you would also say it’s not fair on them - they’ve probably been sold a fantasy of the west as having streets paved with gold , paid a load of money / debt to people traffickers and when they get here they get dumped - can’t work , alien culture , zero money / autonomy and no women for them. I doubt they’re jumping with joy.

    by not being firm and booting them out we are only encouraging this misery and profiting criminal networks. It’s totally reckless of the government to do this and they’re going to cause major major unrest. It’s like a government committing suicide and dragging the country down with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    It’s comfortable for you to characterise you’re ideological opposites in this way ( but no progress will come from it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Just seeing Eamon Ryan on the news saying he was shocked by the awful attack last night on the guys in tents this situation is going to turn very ugly with the open door policy the government is folllowing .We cannot solve the problems of the world which are terrible but enough is enough .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    This story is pretty shocking but of course we'll be told there is no link between this and the hoovering up of emergency accommodation for 'international protection' applicants, including multiple claims from safe countries.

    Meanwhile, Roderic O'Gorman is able to find accommodation for 'families and single female' asylum seekers in the Lismore House Hotel.

    A spokesman for O'Gorman speaks about 'the urgent need to accommodate those seeking refuge in Ireland' and then also that 'these options must be considered to prevent homelessness for the unprecedented numbers of people arriving seeking international protection."

    Earlier this week we heard that Irish homelessness is at an all time high, this shows exactly where the government's priorities lie.

    The best bit though is where Eamon Ryan says that 'Minister O'Gorman has done an incredible job'. If this is an incredible job, imagine what a mess would look like.

    (Looks like the 'far right' have infiltrated the Lismore community too judging by the protests.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    So it's a tourist hotspot but the main hotel closed in 2016.


    🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,355 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    That guy that threatened the 2 women shouldn't be offered anything anyway.

    Not a word about that incident on any of the news channels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    Telling that that's what you took from my post. Another stellar contribution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,422 ✭✭✭trashcan


    Exactly what struck me. One of the locals commenting on the news that the building wasn’t suitable for asylum seekers and was a tourist amenity. Then why has it been closed for 7 years ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Still no movement on the idle hotel in Dublin 4 ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    I doubt it, all of these social issues, are for others to deal with, not the montrose and dublin 4 types... they just virtue signal and lie about how they would have no problem living next door to them ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    massive increase in communal tent living and a woman living out of a commercial tumble dryer in Dublin...


    https://www.newstalk.com/news/truly-tragic-woman-found-living-in-a-tumble-dryer-after-becoming-homeless-1432328



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I belive it was bought by the US to host the new US Embassy.

    Not sure when they plan to commence building works though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭chosen1


    I'll let you figure some of this out for yourself.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/asylum-seekers-will-get-keys-to-their-own-homes-and-will-be-able-to-work-policy-to-end-direct-provision-revealed-40133273.html

    This information was tweeted out by the minister in charge of all of this in several languages including Georgian and Albanian where a huge cohort of our asylum seekers are from. These countries along with a number of others in the top ten of our where these people originate have no wars and are regarded as safe in international standards.

    Deportation of non genuine claims was not mentioned in any of these news bulletins so why wouldn't huge numbers arrive here all of a sudden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Has anyone here been to Lismore? It's a tiny, narrow road town with little or no amenities to accommodate a load of extra people living there. There is a bus to Dungarvan and Tallow but for things to do during the day not much except a library and community centre.

    It's a tourist town with it's castle and walks, there is nothing else really to do. The Hotel has been lying idle since 2017, it was finally sold in Sept 2018, there was issues before then with licensing due to noise etc so this probably didn't help. Planning lodged in 2021 but put on hold in 2022 as the counsel wanted more info. With Covid I would think many towns and cities will be looking for hotel space for tourism.

    Don't be so quick to judge the locals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Don't be fooled by the National Party. A party of fringe lunatics. Don't waste your vote.

    They are homophobic and anti same sex marriage. They are anti-abortion. Anti-EU. And conservative looking for a "Catholic Republic". They promote hate.

    They also help spark and inflame the protests outside accommodation centres housing asylum seekers which in my view are the most cowardly actions I have seen in Ireland in many years. Utterly cowardly and shameful. Shouting at asylum seekers all night - sickening stuff. Zero honour. I am all for the right to protest but do it at the Dail or organise a march or something - don't turn up as an angry mob outside hotels etc to frighten newly arrived asylum seekers and migrants. Brave alright. Yellow.

    I an an outspoken critic of this shoddy government but NP are not the solution.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭minimary


    But at the same time they're terrified to actually do anything.

    "while around 5,000 people in other direct-provision centres either can’t or won’t leave." what other country would put up with this?

    Just the fact that we're supporting people with multiple negative decisions against them. Take away support if the initial decision and appeal has been unsuccessful, no direct provision and no other payments and see how many people stick around for years of appeals.

    Also if anyone wants to write a petition that a person with a deportation order should be allowed to stay, they should have to fundraise to pay for housing, healthcare and agree to provide an income for this person for at least 10 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,979 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf



    Don't be fooled by the National Party. A party of fringe lunatics. Don't waste your vote.

    They are homophobic and anti same sex marriage. They are anti-abortion. Anti-EU. And conservative looking for a "Catholic Republic". They promote hate.

    They also help spark and inflame the protests outside accommodation centres housing asylum seekers which in my view are the most cowardly actions I have seen in Ireland in many years.

    To which that poster would probably reply

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    Here's one of their worthy contributions to the multiculturalism thread

    "White supremacist", white people basically invented the modern world. I bet Dublin has has had more inventors etc than the whole of Africa.... does that not tell you something?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Nosler


    Tbh, I think a lot of National Party policies are a load of bollocks. I dont think anyone really wants a "Catholic Republic". Same with being anti abortion.

    However on their main policy of looking after the Irish people they are bang on the money...

    There literally is no one else speaking out against mass immigration.... FF, FG and RTE all sing from the same hymn sheet. A functioning democracy needs opposing opinions to be heard...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭bertieinexile


    Ballsbridge on Saturday was surreal. Standing outside the huge empty Jury's Hotel and then moving to the seven story deserted office block that is the former Israeli Embassy and not a sinner in either of them. Not the only empty office blocks around there either. At a time when the government is talking about requisitioning churches to put refugees in. Monty Python level comic weirdness.

    Seriuosly, just go down there and look at those big empty buildings. So strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭bertieinexile


    I'd be anti same sex marriage, anti-abortion, Anti-EU and conservative myself. I wouldn't say no to a "Catholic Republic" if you're offering.

    But I agree with you, the National Party are a waste of a vote and are not the solution.

    To bring this back to refugee accommodation, something very interesting happened at the protest in Ballsbridge last Saturday. At the end the NP appeared, lead by Justin, and unfurled a party banner. Protestors, mostly from East Wall, moved in on them and demanded that the banner be taken down. East Wall rules were explained to them - they were welcome to support the protest as individuals but not as a party and this met with resistance from Justin.

    Most interesting of all it was explained to him, in front of everyone, that by being seen to be in conflict with the protestors over this he was advertising the fact that the NP weren't central to the protest, weren't even welcome and it was showing in a very public way that they weren't involved in organising anything.

    The self defeating nature of arguing with the protestors didn't get through to Justin. He continued up Landsdowne Road bannerless and calling the protestors stupid.

    This conflict between the protestors and the NP outsiders has continued on Twitter and Telegram since Saturday.

    NP members expect electoral success. I don't think Justin does. He seems much more comfortable with the NP as a select and private club. A right wing men's shed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    This conflict between the protestors and the NP outsiders has continued on Twitter and Telegram since Saturday

    Could you link to some examples please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    "Their main policy of looking after the Irish people" 😂

    No thanks!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Considering the fact that they can't even get a single council member elected, the obvious answer is tiny and unimportant. Not that that has stopped the Media and NGO's screeching from the high heavens about the far right. They are positively tumescent and erect with throbing excitement about the protests and public grumbling. To their credit, the NGO’s and moral busybodies have had to work really, really hard to create some, but finally they have some Nazi’s to fight!

    Doccumentary to be released by the NGO's on the rise of the National Party:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovCf9VRLnDY

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,071 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Incompetent owners. Same story with Ballyvaughn in Clare. Right at the edge of the Burren and close to the cliffs and the caves, the large hotel in the town is now an asylum reception centre. It was sold to a builder that struggled to run it for years despite it's prime location close some of the most beautiful and busiest tourist spots in Clare because he knew absolutely nothing about running a hotel and ran it into the ground while working behind it's bar. Fortunately for him our government just loves to bail out builders and incompetent hoteliers. He took a multi million euro contract to convert it into an asylum reception center and hasn’t been seen in the village since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    Would could assume that the people most likely to leave are young, healthy, well educated tax payers, would be the same cohort who would vote current government out. However, they will be living outside Ireland, and voting isn't as easy as if you are living here. It's almost as if the government(like every other time in the past), has a magical solution to the countries problems just before an election happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,349 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Reading through these threads a lot of people comment on the lack of an alternative immigration policy that can control numbers and balance the influx against available infrastructure and accommodation.

    The main parties are all pro uncontrolled immigration, but unless there is a dialogue between the government and the sections of society whom are expressing concern over immigration policy, the natural outcome would be pent up anger and uptick in support of far right policies due to people feeling like they arent being listened to.

    It appears to me that there is a tinderbox situation developing and I hope the govt acknowledge it and begin to better connect with the people that are opposing the current immigration policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,712 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Is that the Hyland?

    That hotel was always closed over winter which surprised me. I thought there would be enough people passing through Ballyvaughan to make it economically viable all year round. It preferred to eat there than in the overrated Monks or Vaughans.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    I'll be honest the coverage on the a Irish Times story today astonishes me. The focus has been in it being a racist "attack". Even disregarding the fact that the majority appear to be European and the same skin colour.

    Should we not be far more worried that people would rather live in a tent than use the homeless services provided at over 200m per annum. This including one of those interviewed saying it was too dangerous and full of junkies.

    But no let's focus on a minor argument instead of the above....

    People are sleeping in tents in our Taoiseach constituency and noone bats an eyelid.



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