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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Capacity is a completely different issue. All the pressures on infrastructure and services are because the government has failed to plan for a growing population, not because there are 'too many people living in the country'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Please explain how it is not. 62,000+ refugees, people that require emergency housing, children that need educating and provide healthcare to them has nothing to do with them? Ukrainian Embassy warned it's citizens coming here back in Oct 2022 that they might not get free accommodation on arrival. It's not a secret that Ireland was having issues before the influx. As for health, Ukrainian's have a lower uptake on vaccines, 20% not vaccinated against Measles. Between 2017 and 2020 40 children died from Measles there. 13 - 20% are not vaccinated against Polio, a disease that can leave people crippled and kill. In 2021, an outbreak of vaccine-associated paralytic poliovirus type 2 was confirmed in the Ukraine. They have some series disease epidemics, 4th highest rate of TB, 2020 2nd highest rate of HIV diagnosis rate in the WHO European Region. These numbers are from the Lancet and the Irish Medical Times.

    Gov policy is not helping but providing for 62,000+ extra people is not leaving much in the pot to sort out our existing issues including helping our citizens pay their electricity, gas bills and help keep their heads above the water, it cannot be sustained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    So an extra 70,000 odd coming here is grand in terms of capacity?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So are other countries eg Hungary.

    And I don't see what downside it's havng for them

    There's no one in Govt with the balls to stand up to these NGOs .

    All the lads are focused on a nice big EU job for themselves at the cost of turning this country into a third world dumping ground.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As a slight aside. I see on my local FB forum that a couple of local families who took in Ukrainian refugees are now appealing for altwrnative accommodation for them.

    The Guardian ran a similzr story recently.

    To be fair to families no one thought this would drag on and now 8 months later having a couple of people under your roof is getting tricky. Plus it's awkward for the refugees themselves I'm sure.

    I would expect quite a few more people are rethinking their offers. As one fb poster honestly said ' it was only intended to be a short term offer' .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Dslatt


    Greater Manchester has the infrastructure for said population. You cant just look at land mass and population and say "sure we have loads of room" Rural Ireland has essentially no public transport, We have less hospital beds than we did in 1996. Lobbing 100,000 new people all at once creates chaos in this instance. I dont care where the people are coming from, if 100,000 of the Irish diaspora returned home all at once we would have the exact same chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It isn't though, our capacity to provide accommodation is based on the spare accommodation capacity we carry as a country.

    The State cannot now find many or any spare beds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If 'Ireland is full', it would be no bad thing if half a million Irish people emigrated tomorrow morning - to free up pressure on housing, services and infrastructure, correct?

    This despite the fact that depopulation always had a quite disastrous effect on the country and was nearly always accompanied by deep recession. One major problem with this is that the people most likely to leave are young, healthy, well educated tax payers (and that goes for most of our migrant worker population too).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,688 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    You don't quite get the irony in your post do you

    If my mother tongue is shaking the foundations of your state, it probably means you built your state on my land.

    EVENFLOW



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    hotmail.com threadbanned



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,283 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Lack of housing, lack of school places and hospital overcrowding are all caused by our population increasing faster than we can provide for this population. The majority of this growth is being caused by immigration. So this definitely has something to do with it.

    And yes this is down to our government not planning for it, but to be fair there's only so much you can do in the face of such a massive increase.

    Ireland is full, there are literally people being told we've nowhere to put you.

    Stopping deportations, offering own door accommodation to all asylum seekers and amnesties have come around to bite us in the ass.

    All at a time when other countries are tightening their migration policies, especially the one right next door to us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,039 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    We could easily fit 20 million people into this country if they could go without running water,electricity,houses education,healthcare and transport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    My mother had a neighbor lookijhng down the noses of everyone who didnt take in refugees.

    She even called to my mothers door when we were in the house asking her would she apply to take a refugee.

    I went out and said to my mother that she shouldnt because it will go on for a long time and any decision she makes she needs to think long and hard about an exit strategy should it go on too long. The woman at the door wasnt happy.

    Anyway my mother didnt take anyone in. 2 people on the road did, including the woman who called to the door, fair play to them, but last i heard their daughter was telling my neice who she is friends with that they are at the end of their tether and it is causing rows in the house and they cant find anywhere else for the people in their house to go now. She said she doesnt know when life will be back to normal.

    This is what happens when there is no exit strategy to these things.

    I had a relative and his wife live in my house for nearly a year while they looked for somewhere else to live. It was supposed to be for a few days. We used to get on before that. We had to move house to get rid of them :) They and some of the family havent spoken to any of us since, because we are the bad guys for kicking them out on to the street. Having someone live in your family space is never going to be easy and if it goes on longer than a week or two it leads to bad things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Yep and we dont need agriculture too to feed the population either just rewild the place. Fooking dumbasses of the highest order



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Following assurances given by the poster One eyed Jack threadban lifted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Naive of me of course, but what is the point of a visa system to live and work here anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    This is really starting to get messy now. On the one hand we've now got a record number of people in emergency accommodation according to this article.

    On the other hand, the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission is demanding that we somehow come up with emergency accommodation for all new asylum seekers.

    Quite a pickle and it'll take some serious mental gymnastics to try and argue that neither situation is linked, although you can be sure some will try.

    God knows where the thousands of new Ukrainian arrivals will go now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    You are confusing cause and effect. You say

    “depopulation always had a quite disastrous effect on the country and was nearly always accompanied by deep recession.”

    However it is the other way around. Deep recessions led to depopulation.

    You see depopulation as a major economic problem for Ireland but seem fine about depopulation of other countries. For example the source of our largest number of non Ukrainian asylum seekers is Georgia which has seen a population decrease of over a million in the last 15 years.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But you're speaking as if to try and slow down or even the stop the population from growing is a perfectly normal and natural thing for any government to do. Most countries who have strict visa systems in place such as the US and Australia are not trying to 'control' the population size but simply the type of migrant worker entering the country. Both countries have higher net immigration than Ireland, even with quite a strict visa system, a point that is completely lost on the Ireland is full guys.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    The reality is that asylum seekers are now being put on the streets with food vouchers.

    Population growth is great but can you not see that we simply don't have accommodation at the moment. Like what is it going to take for the penny to drop. Surely you can see that it is utter madness continually increasing the population with nowhere for people (Irish, Asylum Seekers and Ukrainian refugees) to live.

    Unless something is done to quell the numbers then the accommodation situation is going to get worse and worse, especially if hotels revert to tourism. This is an extraordinary crisis that needs extraordinary measures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Juran


    Exactly.

    I have a cost saving proposal for the state ... just scrap passport control at our airports and ports. Save millions on employees personnel, infrastructure, IT systems, etc. Whats the point of passport control/immigration check when anyone who rocks up without a passport is admitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Ab you can't do that. It would financially ruin the asylum industry and NGO sectors of the economy.

    No it's much better that we go around in costly legal circles where almost everyone gets to stay and get told how awful we are by our resident professional campaigners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    how are there people on the streets? youre trying to tell me the hundreds of thousands of bleeding hearts, saying no amount of immigration is enough, havent throw their doors wide open to these people ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    In a normal democratic system you would have a politician any politician pointing this out in the national parliament but here, they're all avoiding it. They're silent.

    What's wrong with them? Why can they argue and spend time hanging each other out over trivial stuff like booking hotels for their conferences or not paying for posters to be hung. Who cares?

    But we do have determined NGOs to quote every bit of literature and embellish the material to force a response. Is it so wrong to ask any policitian to quote in the dail that piece of EU law provided above? I mean it seems pretty important to me to bring it into the national conversation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    If the **** hits the fan economically, basically if the corporation tax magic money tree of FFG starts drying up, will be fun and games then, trying to fund all of this "Money no object" ideology of theirs...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    this is the biggest issue with irish politics! any centreist, would be deemed far right by the judge jury and executioner, the irish media... their is literally no difference between any of them, adopt the holier than thou position. Total cowards....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    We are desperately in need of a vaguely conservative media outlet here which has an effective footprint, the existing mainstream media are completely and utterly captured by NGO interests, not that the likes of RTE were difficult to capture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    IHREC are not going to win many friends taking this attitude

    The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission is calling for the Government to reverse its policy of not offering State-provided accommodation to new asylum seekers.

    This makes it sound like the government woke up one morning and adopted this 'policy' in a fit of stinginess instead of just running out of places to put new arrivals...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    So they found a roof for the 55 homeless asylum seekers. Can kicked down the road until ... Prob Tuesday when there is 50 more



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