Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120155563#Comment_120155563

You are missing the point. He is being ORDERED to do something that is against his religious beliefs. As I said yesterday in that position I would simply have evaded. Not addressed the student by name at all.. gone on teaching all my students equally. I was there to teach. Being paid for that. End of, This man made a differen choice, End of, and it will be dealt with. In ireland we have freedom of religion. He is exercising that freedom and has paid dearly for it already.

25-01-2023 03:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156023#Comment_120156023

The hope is that posters will have the intelligence to understand that the two are not mutually exclusive.

Larbre34 · 25-01-2023 03:26PM

https://twitter.com/gordonf0rbes/status/1618227409437982720?s=19

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Larbre34 · 25-01-2023 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156053#Comment_120156053

Oh dear.

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120155677#Comment_120155677

But that IS freedom. You cannot change or adapt belief because others do not believe, I do see your point and as I have said repeatedly I would never ever act as he did. He made a different choice AND THAT IS THEIR FREEDOM, Freedom does not entail everyone agreeing with everyone else. We have sen that time and again in history. Look at the battle for female emancipation and votes, WOW!

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156032#Comment_120156032

Ah I see, But belief means living that belief ... Else it ia a hollow drum.

Be right back · 25-01-2023 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156131#Comment_120156131

Oh believe me, I'm not missing anything. ROFL. Actually was he ordered or did he correct the principal?

PeadarCo · 25-01-2023 03:32PM

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What difference does it make how educated he is?

Are "educated people" some how more good than non educated people? That's incredibly condescending and insulting of people for different reasons don't have the same level of education.

Just because you are a teacher doesn't make you a good person. A look at the child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church over the last few decades is educational . Most of those priests were "highly educated" for their time. That education did not stop them from repeatedly commiting horrific crimes. Neither did their "principles" or at least those principles espoused in public.

I appreciate that's an extreme example and that no one is acussing Enoch Burke of anything close to that. However my example does highlight how meaningless constant referrals to the Burkes families piety and education are.

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156079#Comment_120156079

So he paid the price? What then is your gripe?

kegg · 25-01-2023 03:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156109#Comment_120156109

I think it's a case of not taking her religious blinkers off.

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120155863#Comment_120155863

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay nack in AMish histroy they fought mighty battles with the authoriies.. Now they are settled and safe.

French Toast · 25-01-2023 03:40PM

Why wasn't he arrested or forcefully removed by Gardai today, as he was yesterday?

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156094#Comment_120156094

Perfect!

Quin_Dub · 25-01-2023 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156165#Comment_120156165

Perhaps , but that Freedom goes both ways.

If Enoch et al are free to act as they do , then everyone else is equally free to express their feelings about them so asking people to "stop being mean" to them is an impingement on their freedoms.

Freedom to say and act as you wish is not freedom from the consequences of doing so.

25-01-2023 03:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156247#Comment_120156247

They are mocking him, not cheering him on.

Spillane was a teacher and principal for what it's worth.

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156239#Comment_120156239

Perfect!

Graces7 · 25-01-2023 03:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156239#Comment_120156239

Exactly.

FishOnABike · 25-01-2023 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120155727#Comment_120155727

Plan ahead. Catheter and drainage bag or tap. 😉

Akrasia · 25-01-2023 03:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120155100#Comment_120155100

If your principles are that you want to vilify people on the basis of their gender identity or sexual orientation then standing up for them is not a virtue.

There are an awful lot of things in the bible that are morally abhorrent today. If your religious principle was that people should be stoned to death for working on the sabbath, would you consider this a good thing?

Yes he is exceptional, but you can be exceptional in a bad way as well as good way.

In this case, the Burkes are exceptionally obnoxious and offensive to the values we hold dear in a modern diverse and inclusive society.

ohnonotgmail · 25-01-2023 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156239#Comment_120156239

If you were a guard would you volunteer to deal with that head melt? you would find something else to do very quickly.

Tony EH · 25-01-2023 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156053#Comment_120156053

Not educated enough not to fuck his career up though.

Gregor Samsa · 25-01-2023 03:57PM

Funny, you don't see many of the "but I respect him for standing up for his principles" crowd similarly leaping to the defense of Insulate Britain and Just Stop Oil when they were actively willing to disrupt and be arrested for their strongly held beliefs.

It's almost as if they're selective in the principles that they think it's admirable to stand up against the law for.

kegg · 25-01-2023 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156315#Comment_120156315

Well said. But unfortunately there's a couple on here that will argue night is day etc. Don't know if it's just to be "different" or they are too lazy to read the facts.

archermoo · 25-01-2023 03:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156235#Comment_120156235

I'm going to need a citation on that.

Elwood_Blues · 25-01-2023 03:58PM

Just in case anyone's looking for a job..

waterwelly · 25-01-2023 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156239#Comment_120156239

I'm guessing that yesterday he got into the school but today he either stayed outside or they had security to prevent him getting in.

Let him stand outside forever and a day if he wants.

He presumably wants to get arrested, standing outside all day long is a tough ask for anybody, it's humiliating and a decent punishment for the moron.

dinorebel · 25-01-2023 04:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156265#Comment_120156265

It was a parody account not actually Spillane himself.

elperello · 25-01-2023 04:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120156420#Comment_120156420

Gotta love Twitter ❤️🙂

evillive · 25-01-2023 04:12PM

I'm just fascinated with daddy dropping him in and out of school every day. Would he not just get on the bus with the kids and get dropped off at the end of his road, or at least carpool with some of the other parents!!

757TFFIU · 25-01-2023 04:13PM

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I'm wondoring that as well. I was surprised he wasn't removed from the property again.

Perhaps the tactic today was to ignore him and not give him publicity and hope he'd just go away when he couldn't get into the building, given that a file is going to the DPP after his arrest yesterday anyway?

The Dad must be loitering somewhere near enough to the school for the day though, if he's dropping him to the school, then picking him up. I can't imagine him driving from Castlebar to Multyfarnam and back home in the morning, then doing the same again to pick him up from the school. The Dad followed the Garda car to Mullingar yesterday as well. So the Dad clearly has little to be doing with his life.

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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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