Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

But clearly more people will put pressure on the housing supply.

It may lead to a massive housing building boom but can't see that happen as so many people object to large apartment blocks near them including most opposition TDs.

I'm sorry, but if you can't link the arrival of tons of people, ukrainian war or before, with lack of housing, and therefore the requisite rise in cost of housing, then there's nothing to be said that can help you.

As someone pointed out earlier, the sheer amount of pps numbers handed out to non Irish over the last decade is phenomenal.

What else, I wonder, has seen a concomitant lock step increase too?

This doesn't even approach economics or statistics, this is fundamental common sense first and foremost. Anyone tripping up at that initial stage is a lost cause.

Yes, more people need more housing. Less people need less housing.

If the Ukrainian war, on its own, doesn't prove that, nothing ever will to some. But Ukrainians, asylum seekers, chancers, economic migrants, martians, it doesn't matter, they are all extra people, and they all need housing, in a housing crisis.

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Yes,

Just the other night on RTE Baz was doing up 5 houses for Ukrainians. DIY SOS. Thats 5 out of the supply chain for everyone else.

That being said I think most folks here are not complaining about the war affected ukrainians/russians - its the sudden influx of those claiming to be Ukrainian and destroying docs on arrival.

What an idiotic comment

Anyway…that’s for a different thread

How is it an idiotic comment? Look at the post it was responding to -

They’re probably not the half of Irish people who think a home somewhere between €200k and €300k is affordable -

https://www.thejournal.ie/affordable-housing-poll-5477459-Jun2021/

It isn’t because of Government trying to accommodate refugees that young people are thinking of leaving Ireland, it’s because they see themselves having a better quality of life abroad, like every other migrant -

The survey also found that 80% are fearful for their future, 50% reported worse mental health in the context of the rising cost of living, 40% were not as happy as they were six months ago, 50% are struggling to make ends meet, and around a quarter said their experience with housing in the last six months is worse.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40959242.html

They aren’t being replaced. They do come back -

Census 2016 revealed that there were 888,899 residents who had previously lived outside of Ireland for one year or more. Of these, 557,611 were Irish nationals (62.7%) and 327,330 were non-Irish nationals (36.8%). Figure 6.3 shows the year of arrival into Ireland for both Irish and non-Irish nationals for the years 1997 to 2016. When analysing these results, it must be borne in mind that a high percentage of residents who were born abroad failed to answer the question on previous residence abroad – repeating patterns observed in 2006 and 2011.

Returning Irish nationals have always been in evidence, averaging around 16,000 persons per year in the late 1990’s and then increasing to reach a high of 21,299 in 2000. Numbers reached a low point in 2009 with just 10,198 arrivals but have increased in more recent years with 18,571 persons in 2014. 

The graph shows that the flow of non-Irish nationals into Ireland remained fairly steady over the period 1997 to 2003 averaging 6,000 persons annually. The numbers increased sharply from 2004 onwards and reached a high of 23,089 in 2006. They fell sharply up to 2009 (8,192) but have since risen again to reach a high of 31,694 in 2015.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7ri/

And they purchase affordable homes, and they enjoy nights out, and they enjoy plenty of the finer things in life, the things that refugees will dream of. No fear of young people in this country who have a bit of initiative and an interest in making something of themselves and making a better life for themselves and their families.

seeing the sights... of Dublin.

Living the dream... in CityWest.

Isn't this what happens in Germany? Think close to 300k homeless refugees there (might be outdated)

Europe as a whole can't cope

Yeah it was fantastic, I was responding to a poster who asked if a single Irish person lost out on a house due to Ukrainians - it doesn’t matter what way it’s sliced the fact is supply in one form or, another charity/rent/purchase etc, is being impacted by Ukrainian and other inward migration.

That was a low hanging fruit example.

They could have been restored in the same manner for Irish people, so I would refute it being nonsense - but at least they went to genuine refugees by the looks of it.

We need to come up with a final solution...we'll have to build massive camps to keep them concentrated in one area

Jaysus. 😕

Why are you ranting and raving about "scrolling through social media" when the poster never said anything as such? You're trying to discredit the source of their views, by telling them what their source is. There's far more sources than lads on Twitter as you well know, yet you've to pretend that that's the case, is the name of trying to score some points. The desperation is getting very palpable.

The poster put in a link in their post to a Twitter post of a 13 second clip of someone scrolling through someone else’s social media posts by way of supporting their claims of the person being accommodated in Citywest Hotel. I don’t have to try and discredit anything, there’s just nothing credible there in the first place! I do know there’s far more sources than twitter, I also know they’re as credible as sources on twitter. I’m not so desperate to prove utter nonsense that I’m willing to go so far as to manufacture evidence to support my claims. That’s what that poster is doing, and telling other people they’re being conned by the the Government, NGOs etc spreading misinformation 😂

A question for those advocating taking in everybody who turns up, and Roddy O'Gorman said we should plan for 80,000 more in the next year. If there is nowhere to put them, where do you think they should put up their tents? Maybe they should take over Stephen's Green or the Polo grounds in the Park, directly by the Áras, or is there anywhere else that you could think of?

Michael D can surely take in about 100 or so bunk beds in every room