rsa supporting e-scooters

The point was/ is, if you allow a throttle for a scooter why wouldn't you allow a throttle on a e-bicycle? The expectation that it will be a new class, and e-bikes will no longer need to be pedelecs/ assisted pedalling only.

In most places (that actually have rules) it's not that they exclude them. But they would be a different classes of vehicles.

Many places have two different classes of eBikes. Slow and Fast.

I think people want/hop one all encompassing class so they can squeeze fast devices and escape any legal requirements that these usually attract.

Some of these eBike and eScooters are far faster than old mopeds though. So its not exactly a fair comparison.

...And how do they check 25km/hr now and how do they propose to check that going forward with the new legislation?

Can you list the "many" countries.

There are amendments to the original bill and there could be further amendments. There appears to be two definitions as far as I can see from

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2021/128/?tab=amendments

“ ‘pedal bicycle’ means—

(a) a bicycle which is intended or adapted for propulsion solely by the

physical exertions of a person or persons seated on it, or

(b) a bicycle capable of propulsion solely by the physical exertions of a

person or persons seated on it, and equipped with an auxiliary

electric motor—

(i) which has a maximum continuous rated power less than or equal

to 0.25 kilowatts, and

(ii) the output of which cuts off when those physical exertions stop,

and is otherwise progressively reduced and finally cut off before

the bicycle reaches the speed of 25 kilometres per hour;”,

A“ ‘powered personal transporter’ means a vehicle—

(a) designed and constructed for the carriage of a single person, but not

designed or constructed for a person with restricted mobility or for

the carriage of goods,

(b) with a maximum unladen weight of 25 kilograms, or such other

maximum unladen weight as the Minister prescribes,

(c) with a maximum design speed of no less than 6 kilometres per hour

and no greater than 25 kilometres per hour, or such other maximumdesign speed as the Minister prescribes, and

(d) equipped with an electric motor having a maximum continuous

rated power, or electric motors having a combined maximum

continuous rated power, of less than or equal to 0.5 kilowatts, or

such other maximum continuous rated power, or combined

maximum continuous rated power, as the Minister prescribes,

but not including a vehicle referred to in paragraph (b) of the definition of

pedal bicycle or in paragraph (b) of the definition of pedal tricycle;”

So if you take the pedals off your bike, fit a 500w motor and battery and keep the weight under 25 kg, does it now becomes a powered personal transporter ????

Have to disagree but that's kinda seems like a no...

Well thus far you've listed zero countries.

What if we ban cars from the roads.

So that's a hard no on that list....

I'm not sure you get the purpose of a forum.

At the moment just riding the eScooter was illegal. They mostly aren't enforcing that. How likely is it the Garda will enforce speeding? None.

Are they enforcing cyclists going too fast, as on cycling dentistry dangerously? No.

Finally did the scooter actually hit anything. No.

How do we move forward from there.

It's was illegal no matter what they were doing.

There's no point making up more laws that won't be enforced.