rsa supporting e-scooters

When the legislation eventually comes in for escooters, will ebikes with a throttle below a certain speed be allowed?

Same for pedestrians and cyclists and everything else that doesn't have the massive death toll and other societal costs of cars, so what? Every car off the road is a victory and should be encouraged instead of these ridiculous petty prosecutions that should have been done away with years ago.

the auxiliary electric motor—(i) shall not be capable of propelling the cycle in the absence of any manual propulsion,

AFAIK, as quoted above, the throttle if fitted must cut out when you stop pedalling. With some bikes and especially with some hub motor diy kits, its possible to set up the bike that only slow and gentle pedalling is required to keep throttle active and I think this would be legal.

Interestingly, if you removed the pedals completely and fitted foot pegs, the bike would appear to become a personal light electric vehicle (PLEV) and possibly could be used with the throttle although the minister can put extra restrictions in terms of size that's not specified in the bill which may prevent this.

So this is a story where the Garda, the Judge, the reporter, the paper, all got the facts of the law wrong.

I think its nuts they've dragged this out for so long, and this guy got a scooter destroyed as a result.

500-watt electric scooter. Fair push from that I reckon.

This manufacturer seems to limit their 500w scooters to 50kph. They have more powerful ones.

This thread started in 2019. That's some stalling..

I believe they will, it would make no sense if you could have a scooter with a throttle but not a bike. Half the eBikes on the roads are those crappy Fiido yokes which have throttles.

is that quote from the existing legislation or the proposed?

under the current legislation yes but that also applies to eScooters.

Under the proposed legislation you can have an eScooter with a throttle and a seat and it will be classed as a PLEV provided it's limited to 25km/h; it wouldn't make much sense if it was suddenly illegal by virtue of adding pedals.

The point was/ is, if you allow a throttle for a scooter why wouldn't you allow a throttle on a e-bicycle? The expectation that it will be a new class, and e-bikes will no longer need to be pedelecs/ assisted pedalling only.

In most places (that actually have rules) it's not that they exclude them. But they would be a different classes of vehicles.

Many places have two different classes of eBikes. Slow and Fast.

I think people want/hop one all encompassing class so they can squeeze fast devices and escape any legal requirements that these usually attract.

Some of these eBike and eScooters are far faster than old mopeds though. So its not exactly a fair comparison.

...And how do they check 25km/hr now and how do they propose to check that going forward with the new legislation?

Can you list the "many" countries.

There are amendments to the original bill and there could be further amendments. There appears to be two definitions as far as I can see from

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2021/128/?tab=amendments

“ ‘pedal bicycle’ means—

(a) a bicycle which is intended or adapted for propulsion solely by the

physical exertions of a person or persons seated on it, or

(b) a bicycle capable of propulsion solely by the physical exertions of a

person or persons seated on it, and equipped with an auxiliary

electric motor—

(i) which has a maximum continuous rated power less than or equal

to 0.25 kilowatts, and

(ii) the output of which cuts off when those physical exertions stop,

and is otherwise progressively reduced and finally cut off before

the bicycle reaches the speed of 25 kilometres per hour;”,

A“ ‘powered personal transporter’ means a vehicle—

(a) designed and constructed for the carriage of a single person, but not

designed or constructed for a person with restricted mobility or for

the carriage of goods,

(b) with a maximum unladen weight of 25 kilograms, or such other

maximum unladen weight as the Minister prescribes,

(c) with a maximum design speed of no less than 6 kilometres per hour

and no greater than 25 kilometres per hour, or such other maximumdesign speed as the Minister prescribes, and

(d) equipped with an electric motor having a maximum continuous

rated power, or electric motors having a combined maximum

continuous rated power, of less than or equal to 0.5 kilowatts, or

such other maximum continuous rated power, or combined

maximum continuous rated power, as the Minister prescribes,

but not including a vehicle referred to in paragraph (b) of the definition of

pedal bicycle or in paragraph (b) of the definition of pedal tricycle;”

So if you take the pedals off your bike, fit a 500w motor and battery and keep the weight under 25 kg, does it now becomes a powered personal transporter ????

Have to disagree but that's kinda seems like a no...

Well thus far you've listed zero countries.

What if we ban cars from the roads.

So that's a hard no on that list....

I'm not sure you get the purpose of a forum.

At the moment just riding the eScooter was illegal. They mostly aren't enforcing that. How likely is it the Garda will enforce speeding? None.

Are they enforcing cyclists going too fast, as on cycling dentistry dangerously? No.

Finally did the scooter actually hit anything. No.

How do we move forward from there.

It's was illegal no matter what they were doing.

There's no point making up more laws that won't be enforced.