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Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    It's a wonder why the deeply compassionate and caring middle class types, who often have more wealth than the rest of us, aren't opening their hearts and their homes to the people that they are supposedly welcoming. They tell us all the time about how "vulnerable" these "refugees" are, so why not step in and save them from the great evil that is Direct Provision? "You don't have a right to vet who lives around you" is another one, so they should have no issue taking in some random Albanian lads into their homes. They present it all as risk-less, a benefit to us all, so why not live by their supposed values, and show us that it's all rosy by living with the people that they claim to support.

    Post edited by TomTomTim on

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    They preach alright to the rest of us, safe in the knowledge they will never have to accommodate anyone other than their own sort. It reminds me of those who berate people who object to Traveller accommodation, but they would never have them next door to themselves. Hypocrites with a megaphone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Thankfully the yanks already showed us how they'd react if they were lumped with even a few of them. They did their whole "we're caring people" act for the world for a day, then got rid of them all a few days later.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭niallpatrick


    94 world cup 40 'travellers' were put back on the next plane out back to Dublin? 'travellers' doing their thang being rowdy disruptive assholes but to claim they were being victimized because they're British, you turn coat soupie bastards. How the hell can you live with yourself even saying that. I've no problem with the Brits in general or 'travellers' for that matter but get real, Irish accent Irish passport Irish name just own up you did wrong and don't try and blame it on the Brits. The British embassy was hardly going to fight their corner as always it's our problem to deal with which they know and run to for help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Kyokushin Grappler


    Not even a few days. They were out of Martha's Vineyard in less than 24 hours. Let them In my foot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    There have been more refugees “dumped” as you put it, in tourist towns along the west coast than in working class urban areas.

    Sinn Fein are in opposition. It is up to them to differentiate their policy from that of the government.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Amazing input.

    Unfortunately for you and all the other anti-immigrants, stopping all the immigrants coming in doesn’t make the issues with health and housing go away. A lot of you lot seem to think you’re talking for the common person, but you’re not. The common person sees right through it all.

    The immigrants aren’t the reason we have crises in those sectors, no matter how much you want everyone to believe the bollocks coming from you and your ilk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,040 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Allowing everyone and his mother in doesnt make pre existing crises go away, it makes them worse.

    Well meaning but naive people dont seem to realise this country simply cant save the world on its own. How are we going to look after them and where are we supposed to put them all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Very much in keeping with the OP - Rodders was on NT with Gav Reilly today at 12pm. Asked about the numbers he said there are currently 350 IPASA's and 120 Ukrainians arriving every week, almost 3 times the amount of IPASA's v the UA's

    So staying with the IPASA's for the mo - The IT did an article a few months back where it stated that 40% of those IPASA's had no documentation when presenting at immigration control. Assuming that % has not changed it means that out of the 1400 pm arriving, 560 will have had a little accident with their docs. For the remainder of the year (at this current rate) we will have 15,400 more IPASA's of which 6,160 will be complete chancers. And Rodders just stands there...'But sure what can we do?' - Hardly surprising a Ukrainian finds it a bit tricky to get a bed.

    This is complete insanity!

    RTE had a girl called Tamar on the news the other night. She came here from Georgia with her daughter a year ago and we have been putting her up in the Red Cow hotel for the last year. She was basically bitching about being moved to the disused church set up.

    Tubridy had a woman on the show (a few months back) from South Africa. Apparently she was being slapped about a bit by the hubby. What does she do? Yes you guessed it, she did what every other person in the world would do - hopped on a plane and travelled the 10,000 kms to get to Ireland because the continent of Africa (being 30 million square kilometres) was just too small.

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    let them know we're soft as fook ...♫ ♪ ♬ ♩



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    There are 30,000 Ukrainians in Georgia seeking sanctuary and thousands of other Africans in South Africa seeking sanctuary. Meanwhile both Georgians and South Africans are fleeing here.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    methinks this is about to get very interesting since I know for a fact of one hotel in South of the country that’s pulling out of housing Ukraine refugees due to the government not paying for the past 6 months.I’m certain this ain’t the only hotel not paid but will be kept quiet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,380 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But we don't have 'open borders' as the anti-immigration guys claim. I would suggest we have one of the strictest immigration and border control set ups in all of Europe. We're not even a member of the Schengen Zone and it is literally impossible to enter the country without going through immigration control and interacting with either the Garda National Immigration Bureau or the Border Management Unit.

    Compare that to Europe where you could drive through ten different EU states without probably even once being asked to show a passport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,380 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    That's not the direction the refugees and asylum seekers are coming from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    That wasn’t my question.

    You assured us that

    QUOTE “ it is literally impossible to enter the country without going through immigration control and interacting with either the Garda National Immigration Bureau or the Border Management Unit.” QUOTE

    Have you ever been to Northern Ireland?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,380 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    You know full well I am talking about the routes into the country from the EU and GB - hence me mentioning that we are outside the Schengen Area. It's common knowledge that there are no border checkpoints between the ROI and NI, that is a total red herring and has nothing to do with the refugee or asylum seeker issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Can you provide a link to your claim that asylum seekers don’t enter the country through Northern Ireland?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Sallywag37


    There have in their hole. Working class Dublin has been a dumping ground for fakeugees for thirty years. We're now heaving and drowning with them and their children, and middle class Dublin is not getting off lightly either as you can see from the savage scumbaggery outlined in the article below.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gang-thug-threatens-cut-baby-15380313



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Who said stopping immigrants coming will make the issues go away, nobody did only you.

    Who is the common person, did we have some vote on the matter, the common persons I know are getting fed up and starting to see right through the issues this is causing.

    Everyone here bar a few people can see right through the dishonestly of your post.

    Does adding more people to the country put more strain on services.

    A simple yes or no will do, but I don't expect an answer because the answer is yes even as much as you don't want to say it.

    You have the audacity to accuse others of talking bollocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭pauly58


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/22/anti-immigration-protesters-march-dublin-ireland-refugees unlike our own press that is following the Government line, an English daily tells it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,419 ✭✭✭✭zell12




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    So whereas 20 years ago, we could get a GP appointment in a couple of days - now it's more like a month. Whereas our children are being priced out of both rental & purchase markets and obliged to come back and live at home. Meanwhile Varadkar and NGOs talk of our legal obligations to international asylum seekers and the need to block book rentals and build housing to meet these obligations.

    I suggest Faugheen this government is going to get one hell of a boot up the hole come next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,128 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Regarding the view that the Government will get "a boot up the hole" in the next election, I'd like to know what the Opposition will offer. Anyone know?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,147 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Have Ukrainian immigrants higher employment rates than native Irish people?

    Maybe you could share your stats on that.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,346 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    nose in the trough ffs. so they're pigs are they for fleeing a warzone when children are being killed brutally and mass graves are being found and you may be hit by a rocket in your apartment building while sleeping?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Does adding more people to the country put more strain on services.

    A simple yes or no will do, but I don't expect an answer because the answer is yes even as much as you don't want to say it.

    No, not necessarily.

    It's a deeply stupid question. Many will be doctors or nurses. Some will be tradesmen and builders. And a very large number of the immigrant population works in tech or pharma, and their large wages and taxes go a long way to funding our public services.

    If we were to shut off immigration, things would get very much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,503 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why would I do that? it's seems to be your claim. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    More of the same. The only positive I see is that it will get rid of them as a political solution in the future, which should, in theory at least, make space for a genuine opposition party.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Many will be doctors or nurses

    This talking point has been shown to be nonsense over and over again, so much so that most people don't even use this argument anymore. Many won't be, but a few might be.

    Even if they were all doctors and nurses, why in the world would they be here, and not in Ukraine helping their own?

    If you're even speaking of immigration in general, those people would not be asylum seekers, so they aren't really relevant to this thread.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,308 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Its a deeply stupid response.

    More people equals more strain on resources.

    Your fantasy about doctors and nurses coming here has nothing to do with my point.

    I have no idea why your responded to me about shutting off immigration, I am fully in favor of controlled immigration.

    I am not in favour of shoving thousands of men into hotels and old building and especially when a lot of them turn up with no documentation.



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