Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-01-2023 06:44PM

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You told me tjey werent concistent witb their Christian ethos - so where exactly is the conflict?

Tork · 20-01-2023 06:45PM

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The timing was unfortunate but something tells me they'd have just found something else to roar and shout about.

Gregor Samsa · 20-01-2023 06:46PM

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I wonder does Enoch stubbornly refuse to recognise that Jesus changed the disciple Simon’s name to Cephas (aka Peter, via the Greek Πέτρος).

ohnonotgmail · 20-01-2023 06:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135452#Comment_120135452

to be fair most "christians" are quite happy to ignore the teachings of christ.

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 06:53PM

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The conflict is with different belief systems.

If the school was secular/non-religious, it would not be an issue.

A teacher would have less of a case for wanting to practice their religion if they had chosen to be employed by a school that was non-religious.

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 06:54PM

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It's not simply name change is it. It's whole identity change.

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2023 06:56PM

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How does treating a student with dignity and respect stop a teacher from practicing their religion?

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2023 07:00PM

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You said “dishonest because it presents on its website as a Christian school”. What is dishonest about treating a student with dignity and respect?

Is there some Christian principle that you’re aware of that says that Christians can’t treat trans people with respect?

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 07:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135498#Comment_120135498

As I said, it's a clash of belief systems.

From student point of view, their belief is right.

From teacher point of view, their belief is right.

The two beliefs are incompatible, like oil and water.

Someone has to go, and it seems in this case it will be the Christian teacher ejected from the Christian school. (The school might then drop the pretense of being Christian from their name and website, which obviously is a sham anyway)

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2023 07:05PM

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No one has to go. The teacher just has to treat all students with respect and dignity.

What Christian belief does this clash with?

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 07:11PM

@AndrewJRenko

The other side could just as easily argue that the school/parents/student are not treating others 'with dignity and respect'.

No-one who is working in what's supposed to be a Christian school, and being a Christian themselves should be expected to change their beliefs to anti-Christian to accommodate anti-Christian student. It's absurd that anyone expects this.

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2023 07:12PM

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What is anti Christian about being trans?

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 07:16PM

@AndrewJRenko I already answered that in response to similar question from poster Ohnogmail. That was ignored by them and you, indicating lack of interest. Continuing to ask the same question hoping to get an answer you'll be happy with- not going to work.

Brendan Bendar · 20-01-2023 07:18PM

Better dig in dude……just sayin’

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2023 07:22PM

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You said; “It is against Christianity. I can't give you a sound-bite. I'm not going to write you an essay either.”

You gave no source or rationale for this. Your saying something doesn’t make it true.

You have no basis for this claim, on which your entire argument is premised.

Tork · 20-01-2023 07:22PM

Even if this student left the school and no other transgender student ever attended after this, do you think that Enoch's teaching career would go smoothly? Transgenderism just happens to be the issue that caused the problem on this occasion. Knowing that the Burkes hold a very particular world view, it's highly likely that something else would crop up and kick the circus off again. Would Enoch be happy to work alongside a colleague who's gay or is "living in sin" with a separated partner? What if the Principal brings in some other policy that he disagrees with? It's all well and good to have principles but when you spit your dummy out of the pram and bring in your mammy to bat for you....

Flaneur OBrien · 20-01-2023 07:25PM

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I assume they're saying that being trans goes against Christian teachings.

Apparently though, they can only tell you where it goes against Christian teachings via an essay, which they're unprepared to do.

Personally, I'd settle on the book and verse in the Bible that says being trans is not ok.

54and56 · 20-01-2023 07:37PM

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There is no universally agreed set of Christian beliefs.

Your hard core (and thankfully fringe) Christian beliefs can't be imposed on everyone.

Wilson’s Hospital School is a Church of Ireland school and the Church of Ireland is an autonomous province of the Anglican Communion.

Here is a statement the Church of England released today where the Church of England bishops apologised to LGBTQI+ people for the rejection and hostility they have faced.

In your eye's are they also an Anti Christian organisation?

Annasopra · 20-01-2023 07:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120133840#Comment_120133840

Their policies are very clearly LGBT+ inclusive

Annasopra · 20-01-2023 07:48PM

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What is this crap?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-01-2023 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135480#Comment_120135480

What belief are you talking about?

Dr Turk Turkelton · 20-01-2023 07:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135528#Comment_120135528

To be fair I wouldn't consider either yourself or eunuch beliefs particularly Christian so it might be best if he was to leave a school with an ethos which is so against his.

Annasopra · 20-01-2023 07:51PM

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Absolute drivel. My friend who was assigned female at birth went to a religious convent girls school. At 16 he came out as trans male. The school including the nuns were supportive. This is how it should be. Schools supporting pupils.

Gregor Samsa · 20-01-2023 07:56PM

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Identity, eh? Many Catholic religious orders had no problem with name changes either. And as explained below, they were done as “replacement of family identity with a religious one”. In fact, many female nuns changed their names to male saint ones.

https://ssnd.org/religious_names/

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135662#Comment_120135662

Regardless of what any church organisation is doing, it's up to the school to be clear on its own policies.

If there was openness that the school was in favour of trans as opposed to bible-based(according to its own website), unlikely that Burke would have sought employment there.

Regardless of religion of the school, the constitution does protect religious practice. He does have a case of being prevented from practicing his religion or being misled by the school if they did not make clear when employing him that they had a policy of accepting trans. That's a fairly important piece of information to withhold from an employee, knowing that religion was important to them.

Tork · 20-01-2023 08:13PM

I know a couple of people who've either switched to or from their middle name that's on their birth cert. It's a bit confusing but it isn't unheard of.

Annasopra · 20-01-2023 08:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120135778#Comment_120135778

The schools admission and anti bullying policy are very clearly trans inclusive.

No school could legally refuse a trans student. Your point makes no sense.

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 08:15PM

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They're not requiring people who don't share their belief to acknowledge them. They're in an enclosed order.

questioner22 · 20-01-2023 08:23PM

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You don't know what my beliefs are, and I don't know what yours are, so fairly pointless comment.

20-01-2023 08:24PM

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You're talking nonsense.

You haven't provided anything even resembling a coherent argument. You've refused to answer even the most basic questions when others have tried to determine what you're talking about.

The Christian teacher will be ejected from the school alright, because of his actions though, not his beliefs.

He can believe what he wants, what he cannot do is discriminate or victimise anyone, using those beliefs as a shield to hide behind.

You've been asked multiple times to point out where Christianity is against being trans or changing names, and refused every time. That's because the opposite is true. Christianity, and the Bible, is chock full of teachings, beliefs and tenets that everyone should be treated with respect, regardless. Everyone.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

"This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

"At the most basic level we dignify people by recognizing their value as human beings who are made in the image of God (Gen. 1:26-27)"

That last passage in particular demonstrates that it is Burke who is anti-Christrian by not treating the child with dignity. Not the other way around. You can try to paint the opposite picture all you want, everyone can see through your charade.

Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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