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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    he's only the best coach in the world , no one is perfect , so has is flaws , like us all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,629 ✭✭✭✭DvB


    Pep is a winner. Winners are generally speaking very focused people who can come across as petty, irate & rude. Exactly the kid of person you want in charge of a squad worth billions of euro's!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    Arsenal close to signing Jakub Kiwior, a Polish CB for around 20m - him plus Trossard is very good January business. Solving the squad depth problem at Arsenal at just the right time. Wouldn't be surprised if they go for a backup CDM in case Partey gets injured.

    In other transfer news, Danny Ings has completed a move to West Ham. Be interesting to see how he fits in with Antonio and Scamacca. West Ham vs Everton tomorrow is massive for Moyes and Lampard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,304 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The best coach in the world is actually very calm in interviews. Even on the sideline he never shows more than a single raised eyebrow.

    Another way of saying "can come across as" is "are"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,919 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    not really sure why Pep is being hated for that.

    he's passive aggressive, sure, but pretty much every manager is.

    if anything, it was perfect articulation of what is going on at City. they haven't been at it, despite being second. they're not the same team that have been winning relentlessly. the fans are fúcking quiet most of the time.

    we're so unused to honesty in interviews that this tame stuff is now dislikeable to most of us.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Antonio doesn’t score goals anymore and scamacca is injured so I think Ings will fit right and straight in.

    Post edited by doc_17 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Pep is probably feeling the pressure a little and on top of that the supporters of his own club boo the team off, the team that won 4 of the past 5 league titles. He probably felt like giving a little back and maybe he was right. The Athletic pod today were saying that City is the quietest place to go out of all the big clubs, perhaps Pep trying to motivate them to make a difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭BenK


    No problem him being honest and stating what he stated. He was unneccessarily being an arsehole imo doing it and it has nothing to do with honesty in interviews. The interviewer was being polite and not antogistic to Pep at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,239 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    He was alot more pleasant in his first 2 years at Barcelona but Mourinhos mind games and nastiness at Madrid seemed to wear him down.

    I lost alot of respect for him when he went to City instead of Utd.

    He took the easy option, going to a financially doped club like City and dodgy money. No respect for his after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    he is the best coach in the world - thats the facts - please name a better one - and besides every human has faults - another fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It's all those mega rich supporters that they've picked up in recent years, well off people like that tend to make less noise than City's traditional inner city supporters 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,304 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What fact makes your case ?

    No one can absolutely prove who the best manager is. It's absolutely nonsense to say that's "fact"

    Anyway I have already said who I think the best is and he is certainly not a sore loser whinge bag like Pep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Tell me a manager who had a club build an entire infrastructure around them before they even joined? And he was hired to win the champions league, how’s that going?

    Pep is indeed one of the best coaches in the world. He does deserve to manage top clubs. But he’s only ever managed clubs who had sides challanging for leagues and champions leagues with and without him.

    Ive never seen a manager who has had a career where he only ever get every player from the top shelf to achieve his goals.

    The argument “well he wouldn’t be at those clubs if he wasn’t clearly the best” is horseshit. Bayern did better without him. Barca kept winning without him, the greatest club side of all time probably.

    City won league without him. He’s actually failed at the targets of champions leagues at Bayern and city and pretty much just a achieved exactly what you would expect managers at those clubs who have those resources at their disposal to do.

    He hasn’t excelled , his teams play wonderful football but he’s achieved what he should achieve. Nobody else gets 100mil subs or 4 top class full backs when you only need (as keane put it). No other club can buy poorly and just discard an expensive player with a replacement as quickly.

    pep is a top coach but there’s an awful lot of reasons for his trophy haul that aren’t all completely down to his brilliance.

    I personally prefer the Klopps who earned the right to manage a club and twice managed clubs that were underdogs to really high levels. He’s won leagues and champions league with lessor resources, far more impressive: And all without a club that had been built for his convenience before he joined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,304 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Going to a financially doped club"

    Barca have proven time and again to be a bit dodgy with the cash. Yes they are a big big club but certainly not the holier than thou "more than just a club" that they claim.

    Pep has never managed a club that wasn't massively outspending 95 or 100% of it's rivals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    I think I believe the Kane to Man Utd rumours.

    They need a CF, and he showed a couple of summers ago that he is prepared to leave. He'll more than likely break the Spurs goalscoring record this season and then leave to try break the PL goalscoring record.

    Playing under 3 negative managers in a row won't have been easy as a forward. His goal output has not been as high as under Poch, while still being at a very good level. But Kane wants those individual records.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    He's also fiiiinally about to enter the last year of his interminably long contract, while still being young enough command a top wage, so it's a now or never summer for him. I think he'll leave, and it's just a question of how high up the ladder he can jump with this one big move. That may well end up being Utd.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Who else will pay Kane the big bucks except United?

    No one in England surely, obviously not Arsenal or Liverpool, City don't need him with Haaland on board. Would he go to Chelsea - kinda doubt it TBH.

    Who on the continent could afford him, Madrid, PSG, or Bayern - don't think Barca have any levers left to pull even if they wanted to. Is he glamorous enough for Madrid or PSG?

    Bayern might be an option, he could pad his stats a bit, play in the latter stages of the ECL every year, guarantee trophies.

    Not a huge market really. United could be a good bet domestically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,869 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Probably still at the age where he can ask for a 4 year deal at least, maybe pushing 5 but Man Utd tend to offer contracts these days where they hold the option for 1 at the end.

    I think he wants to stay to England anyways. I'd say he would much rather the PL scoring record than win 3 Bundesligas for example. No offence to the league but I don't think people in the UK hold much credence to that league, compared to the PL for example because of the difference in quality, and the fact Bayern win it every season. It's a cool thing to say that a player has won every league in top 5 leagues or whatever, but having a few Bundesligas as your sole trophy outlay is a bit meh when anyone could rock up at that club and win the league there. That probably does change if he wins the CL there too though! That season becomes a bit more special then.

    I don't know why but some English players that have a lot of success in foreign leagues don't seem to get much credit for it. For example Steve McManaman is more commonly known as a very annoying BT Sports commentator these days than he is for a brilliant attacking midfielder or winger who went to Real Madrid and won multiple La Liga titles and European Cups, while being a key player. Especially when many players who did go foreign, tended to fail.

    Whereas Kane would take great pride in being talked about for generations to come for being the top scorer in the PL. It's a longer lasting legacy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Ancelotti…..

    Carlo usually takes the players he has and makes them better. Pep replaces them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    United and Liverpool prob the only English teams in the running.

    Arsenal could use him but that wont happen.

    Todd will prob try to buy him.

    Will be interesting though. Newcastle if they get top 4?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,865 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I'd say if u took all the best bits from Ancelotti, Klopp and Pep moulded it all into a manager in some lab it still wouldn't fix Everton. Place is just cursed or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,304 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Yep and does it all without acting like a clown on the sideline, trying to be the centre of attention or wnking off about his football philosophy like Jose, Pep, Klopp or the recent copy and paste German league alumni.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,108 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    True, and Carlo did a better job there than anyone else has over the past few years.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    it was someone here calling him an arsehole , I took exception to, and he's certainly in the top 2 manager/coach active today, Ancelotti is equal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,020 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    fair eneogh, Ancelotti and Pep are the best right now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭happyoutscan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭Bluebb993


    Forgot Untied have been scraping for coins down the back of the sofa the last 10 years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Kinda the 'Little Engländer attitude though, innit.

    There is no real tradition of British players who excelled in the continent, probably a cultural thing. You can recall the likes of John Charles, Bale, MxMannamin who won lots, Beckham of course too. Paul Lambert also won a Champions League, but few others really. Add in the money in England over the last 20 years and why would lads move away.

    Harry strikes me as a home bird to be honest. I think he'll have to make a choice between the easy thing and staying at Spurs or moving up the road to Manchester. Maybe he'll move to the NFL 😊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,674 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I’d say it the recent comment from the Glazers are true about the wage cap and all payers earning around the same money to enhance cohesion then it could scupper the Kane deal. Otherwise it could Chelsea or Newcastle. Liverpool have placed their eggs in the Darwin basket and have to give him a full season with a functioning team.



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