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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    It's the wrap arounds, false runners and set plays that negates the need.

    Byrne is a master at switching directions with a cross field kick when it's on.

    Give me a proper 10 with 10 intelligence any time as opposed to flashy. Not looking at Russell at all.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s basically all about potential and flashes. How late he passes, how he instinctively waits to make guys commit, his demeanor.

    I don’t think anyone would argue he’s a better 10 than ross byrne right now, but he has a higher ceiling. Basically, I’d pick him for the same reason they pick mccarthy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    It's axiomatic; if the 10 doesn't possess a running threat, the defence can be far more comfortable pushing off him. (Which is pretty much exactly what we saw in RB's 2 international starts

    This is true and I broadly agree that Byrnes lack of athleticism affects him more at international level. However Byrne’s two starts were in a massively different system that relied far more heavily on the 10.

    I have my doubts about RB at test level but do feel he has done enough to earn another shot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I'd agree with that; it's worth pointing out that one of his starts was actually under Farrell, albeit it was in the November of Farrell's first year and thing hadn't started to click in attack yet. But ya, that's pretty much exactly what I meant by the following:

     and our attack has improved a lot since then, so if he is called in, I'd expect him to be a lot better than his previous showings demonstrated.

    I think there's no doubt he deserves to be ahead of guys he was previously behind in the shape of Burns, Carty, Harry Byrne anyways. (It's notable tho that Farrell selected all those guys ahead of him at one point or another; all players with a better running threat, imo).



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  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Can't see any of those three guys ahead. Hb maybe in the future. Seen nothing yet though. Carty not a chance.

    But I know nothing really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Ya, I don't see them being ahead of him now. But they've all been ahead of him in the past.

    I think it gives some indication of the type of 10 Farrell is looking for.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Very true. I think Carbery is behind I all honesty. Again, I know nothing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Gerry Thornley saying RB will be called up as well as Crowley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    I think a three legged donkey would have a better running threat than Ross to be honest. Which is a pity as otherwise he would be the only 10 in the country remotely close to Sextons standard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Harry isn't near the team. His goal should be to get minutes and game time under his belt. I've no idea if he's going to be a good out half. I'd say Crowley at least has shown some good physical traits.

    Carty is nowhere near the level. Burns is under rated. He's a running threat but, his kicking isn't great. RB probably does deserve an opportunity. I don't think he's at the level either. But he'd be grand off the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    probably true either way for now

    bit harsh though



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Plus a better tackling treat than any of the ohs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Yes, definitely no better 10 defensively apart from Sexton. Crowley might get there, he certainly isn’t afraid to put his body on the line.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Needs development still, but cracking player. High hopes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    I have for a longtime had high hopes for him. I think he will be Sextons long term successor.

    Though I think if it was a choice between Crowley and RB to start a RWC quarter final later this year. I’d go with RB without hesitation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,940 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Not to open another can of worms but... what do people think constitutes a successful 6 Nations this year?



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Wales & England scrambling to get a team together under new coaches, France in the Aviva.

    I'm looking at a Grand Slam but anything lower than 2nd place would be a disappointment for me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    We really need to win it. It would push us a step further away from 2019 for starters. But we’ve also won nothing under Farrell yet despite the really positive 18 months or so. We need to win something ahead of the RWC to show we can do it.

    I’d be okay with a 2nd placed finish in certain circumstances. Like if France beat us at home in a belter of a game then grand. But it would still be a disappointment. We’re good enough to win it and we have the perfect opportunity in front of us now.



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  • Posts: 20,606 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think it's hard to answer this question. Ireland in 2013 were scrambling to get a team together under a new coach and we probably should have beaten the All Blacks.

    There are now serious wild cards in this tournament and it makes it potentially one of the most fascinating six nations in years.

    In order of who were playing:

    Wales. Wild Card. Terrible Autumn and it's the last series of tests before the World Cup. Gatland is going to have those lads wound up something absolutely awful. I don't think they're a great team, I think they're beatable, but I think they will come at us hard in that first game. If we're composed and play to our system I expect a win, but they are going to really look to stifle us and it would mean EVERYTHING to Wales to beat Ireland, as World number 1 team in the six nations opener.

    France. Reigning champions, savage squad with not many injuries. We have them at home, some of their key guys haven't been in amazing form but they'll have warmed up well with a dominant win against Italy and have their talés up coming to the Aviva. I wouldn't be calling this game to be honest, by rights they really should be World no.1 as far as I'm concerned.

    Italy. Win.

    Scotland. I thought Scotland looked good in the Autumn and I expect them to have a decent six nations. I think we'll have enough to turn them over but Glasgow and Edinburgh have been pretty solid this season and I think it could be a close enough fixture.

    England. Wild Card. Will really depend on the type of tournament they and we have had at that point as do all games after round 2. Hard to know what moral in the camp is like, seems some players wanted Eddie gone, some bitterly disappointed about it so whether Borthwick can come in and settle things and get them going is as big a variable as anything else.

    I don't think it's clear cut to be honest. I think we're a good team that know how to win but it's never straight forward. I think given the fixtures that a Championship win would be a success. Grand slam would leave us looking really good going into the RWC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Every game bar Italy is a banana skin this year. As Venjur says, Wales will have a lot to prove and England under Borthwick will be playing for their lives. That said, Ireland are in mighty form and a good start against Wales should set us up. France is tall order alright but if we are serious about winning the world cup then we absolutely have to beat them at home this year. Losing that game would be a disappointing 6N for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,539 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Obviously every game is a banana skin and as happened to Munster last weekend a red card could impact a game plan or allow a team win that we wouldn't expect to beat us.

    But a few weeks out from the 6Ns there's no team I'd be overly concerned about bar France and we play them at home so advantage Ireland.

    If we want to have any hopes of progressing in the World Cup then we have to be going into the 6Ns as real contenders to win it and carry the favorites tag when playing England, Wales, Scotland & Italy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    As long as we don't **** our jocks like we did in the opener in 2019. If we beat Wales, and get a w v France, I think we will win the grand slam.

    If we lose to Wales, I can't see a good tourney for us. Gatland will have his team eating nails and farting volcanic lava for the 1st match. We weren't very good this autumn.. so, I reckon 4 wins would be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,291 ✭✭✭TRC10


    When you look at what we achieved last year (triple crown, series win in NZ, November clean sweep, getting to no.1 in the world ranking and retaining it through November) and you look at our fixture list (England and France at home), if we're serious about building on those achievements and being considered genuine world cup contenders, not a team who peaks when everyone else is at their weakest, a Grand Slam is the minimum for me. Anything less than that and you'd have to say we've gone backwards.

    That's not to say another triple crown wouldn't be a "good" 6N. One could argue that that would be a successful 6N and traditionally for Irish rugby, it would be, and if we're satisfied with that than fair enough. But I think if we seriously want to sit at the top table, we need to go out there and back up what we did last year, play as well as we did in NZ last summer and prove that we aren't just a team who has one good year every world cup cycle who invariably flops when everyone else is peaking. Winning a GS in a world cup year would be a huge statement that we aren't peaking too early again and we're here to compete at the world cup.

    The match I'm by far the most nervous about, is Wales on day one (more so than France at home). If we can come away from Cardiff with a win, I think we'll win the slam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,026 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    "Successful" would be a championship.

    Second with 4 wins from 5 would be "acceptable".

    Anything else will be very disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,779 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    I for one am shocked that the minimum you’d accept is the maximum that can be achieved. Shocked I say. I’d never have guessed you give no room at all for error or misfortune.

    Also, to say that going from a Triple Crown to a non-GS championship win is going backwards seems somewhat disingenuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    He’s been a 10 all his life till now. Munster are only playing him at 12 to get their best players on the pitch together. He needs gametime at 10 to develop though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,362 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I think we have the players and the form to win this Six Nations. We're the number 1 ranked side in the world for a reason after all.

    My one concern is that Wales and England are big unknowns now. New coaching systems and presumably new players means we won't have much data on them, whereas Ireland's attacking structure has been analysed to the smallest detail. They could spring a surprise on us.



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