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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of announcement by Putin today?

    Don't see anything on the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    And Scholz as usual not committing to sending tanks.

    Definitely some good news needed after these last few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    I think it was yesterday according to the "reliable" social media sources being touted here.

    As usual: if it's true and worth knowing it'll be on outlets like BBC quickly. If not, assume it's false



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Ramstein meeting on Friday, so I'd hope for an announcement then.

    If Ukraine are planning a spring offensive then there needs to be big announcements Friday. Big ticket items are the leopard MBT's and ATACAM's. Ukraine need to hit those ammo depots and supply lines before any major counter offensive.

    If the west are serious about backing Ukraine, then they need to give Ukraine what it needs for a counter offensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Is that the same Russia where the president rides horses bare chested and wrestles bears etc?

    Afraid of little girls laying flowers???



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    As of 3:45 p.m., search and rescue operations have been completed in Brovary. A total of 14 people died, including 1 child, 25 people were injured, including 11 children, - the State Emergency Service of Ukraine

    While the death toll of children has thankfully been revised downwards, several are in a burns unit. What a terrible week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    They never announced the HARM missiles, so they have form. Could be just listed as additional missiles for HIMARS etc...

    And then we see smoking accidents in ammo depots deep behind the lines.

    Here's hoping anyway for a decent step-up come Friday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,453 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    They have proven even more unreliable than the Russian channels on Telegram.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes. We're not too far short of a year now and at some stage the West hast to decide: give a big push and try and defeat the bast*ds properly, or just let it slide into basically an inflated version of what's been going on since 2014.


    Alas, America is the key player and though they've done a lot the question remains open as what do they consider in their own best interests: a swift and complete Russian defeat, or a long war that keeps eating up Russian money, ammunitions and men and ensures the old enemy is isolated and too weak to cause trouble elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭bennyineire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Agreed that ATACMS shouldn't be announced in advance. Just quietly give them, let Ukraine blow up a few ammo dumps and armour depots further into Ukraine including Crimea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes thats true, but the main difference between then and now is that in the past Ukraine did not have anything like the world wide support it now has. Putin has seriously managed to piss off the major world leaders., and it was only because the US stepped in that Afghanistan managed to get rid of the Russians. And if it boils down to Guerrilla warfare in Ukraine, no doubt the US+ others will step in again. One of the main reasons that Russian withdrew from Afghanistan, was because of the economic cost....Afghanistan war costs were driving Russia to bankruptcy. Same as is happening now. Apparently with the exodus of western company's from Russia, the jobs market shrank massively too, and to maintain some kind of stability, Putin has had to "create" jobs, paid for out of the public purse. Which of course adds to the financial demands being made on Russian cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭threeball


    Ukraine could potentially be easier to control than Afghanistan. The terrain is very different so any guerilla groups in Afghanistan could strike then head to the mountains for cover. Even the Americans couldn't find them.

    In Ukraine they'd have no natural fortifications to head for and if the Russians couldn't find them they'd just kill 50 others in their place. At the start of this war I thought there was no way they could control Ukraine even if they won but seeing their barbarity and their willingness to kill, rape or maim anything that walks, talks or moves I'm not so sure they couldn't anymore. The chance cannot be taken. If Russia gets the upper hand in Ukraine we'll be looking at something that would make the holocaust look tame.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Mar53 threadbanned

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Statement from @POTUS and @FLOTUS on the helicopter crash that killed Minister of Internal Affairs Denys Monastyrskyy and other senior Ukrainian officials


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Within a few days of their arrival in the search for Bin Laden, the US had chased the Taliban out of the Country, and this is under the very same circumstances you describe, heading for mountains etc. Drones and satellites have blocked off these avenues of escape. For 20 years they held it. They could retake it again very quickly if they wanted. Afghanistan did not defeat the Americans militarily.... Afghans defeated Afghans, helped with massive support from Pakistan.

    For Ukraine, I seem to remember the Germans using the same methods during the ww2 in any Country they controlled, and that did not stop the resistance back then either.

    Both Afghanistan and Ukraine share one very powerful trait....With Afghans, they were united not only as citizens against an invader, but by religion, it was a Religious war against the unbeliever.

    With Ukraine, Putins murderous escapades has united the whole country against him. In the generations yet to come, they will remember these atrocities'.

    There you have the most powerful motivation known to Man for fighting and destroying invaders. The Russians do not possess a fraction of this kind of powerful motivation, but you can rest assured Russian Invaders lives will be made hell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,453 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭storker


    "Helicopters can't actually fly, but they're so ugly the ground rejects them."

    One thing I've learned about air crashes is to ignore all speculation, of which there is usually a huge amount, and wait for the investigation report. Two examples:

    American Airlines 587 crashed in Queens, November 2001. Cue lots of (understandable) speculation about a new Al Quaeda terror attack. The investigation showed that the vertical stabiliser had separated due to excessive rudder inputs by the pilot in response to encountering wake turbulence.

    Manx 2 Flight 7100 crashed at Cork Airport on its third attempt to land in foggy weather. This resulted in lots of speculation about whether the pilots should have diverted instead, whether the airport should have been closed to traffic and whether it had been a bad idea to build an airport at that location in the first place. The accident report revealed that the fog was just one factor among many, which included one engine producing more thrust than the other, two relatively inexperienced (on that type) pilots flying together, and a "virtual airline" that had slipped through several regulatory cracks.

    I've also heard of a number of cases of witnesses reporting flames when in fact there were none. Granted, flames and a shot-down aircraft are for more likely in Ukraine at the moment than would be the norm, but accidents still happen even in wartime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭storker


    I've never been in one but I don't like the idea of it. It's not fear of flight or heights because I've been at the controls of a Cessna and thoroughly enjoyed it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭vixdname


    You think Ukraine would be more easily subdued.........have you not been watching the savagery of Ukraine's defense of its country ? Easily subdued, yeah right !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I've no fear of heights I used to operate tower cranes, it's the thought of being held up by nothing more than a disc of air that sends the shivers down my spine.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Donbas is not nearly that simple and cut and dried though you/we migt like it to be. Nor is Crimea for that matter. There has been a murderous faction war in Donbas and it had its roots before 2014 too. Russia took advantage of these roots that's for damned sure, but there was an existing advantage to be taken and built upon, not helped by Kyiv.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭vixdname


    I was in a chopper in NYC in the early 2000s, flying over the Hudson and over Ground Zero.

    Heard the pilot say he had to carry out an emergency landing as the transponder on our chopper has ceased beaming out our position to ATC etc.

    That was a worrisome few minutes until we landed safely at their riverside helipad adjacent the USS Intrepid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭Private Joker


    The problem with the donbass, crimea and most other soviet republics is that stalin gave all these republics a certain amount of autonomy but in order to retain control of those regions, industrial cities were created and populated with citizens of Russia bringing their language and culture with them and displacing the indigenous population. We see even on our own island the consequences of such a tactic.

    70 years later putin is justifying his invasion in a large part on the basis of that russian plantation.

    When ukraine eventually push the Russians back and I do believe they will. This is issue will need to be resolved. Most if not all of these russian citizens in the donbass and crimea have at this stage rejected their Ukrainian citizenship and now have russian passports. Do the Ukrainians deport these russian citizens even if generations of them were born in the territory of Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    In a straight up fight ,I'd agree with you ..

    My fear would be in an insurgency situation , and with Russia's expieience in brutal population control , that Russia's techniques might slowly prevail , or even not and just leave a totally broken disfunctional rump state ,

    When the Russians first invaded in Feb and March they had units going door to door with lists of soldiers ,and their families address's.. any one who was considered a dissenter was detained -

    Think huge gulag camps .

    I think the west has a responsibility to assist more .. and not drip feed in a reactionary way

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Bit surprised no one is talking about the latest announcement of weapons from the US.

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    When Ukraine get these, they have the capability to hit everything currently occupied by the Russians, except for Crimea.

    This is far more significant than 12 Challenger tanks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yeah the latest US package contains all sorts of useful tools. Those longer range rockets might also give Russia pause for thought if they are thinking about a new offensive up North.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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