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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thousands of tanks are being supplied by NATO, of which how many Ukrainians are trained to operate them?

    Oh indeed, Slava Ukraini… but in the real world, not Call of Duty world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    When you heading to Ukraine to fight against the Russians?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    That's because there are no NATO boots on the ground, will you be heading over to fight? Or does your bravery not extend further than the glow of your computer screen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    You know, I'm pretty fed up of hearing this infantile response.

    As if doing the big, brave GI Joe thing is the only contribution a person can make in a war and by inference belittling all the people who contribute in no less valuable ways, say by making and maintaining the uniforms, weapons, ammunition, rations, communications etc etc etc, or even just continuing in their daily lives, working and paying taxes, or making sure that what's going on in Ukraine doesn't go unrecognised.

    Grow up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So what are you doing to help the people of Ukraine?

    I see the same people on here day in day out demanding the EU/UK/US send in troops, tanks, weapons. I see the same people calling for all out war across the continent (and believe me that's what it would be) yet they are not the ones in danger, they just demand that others do this.

    Thankfully keyboard warriors are just that, they demand everything without even the slightest idea of what that entails.

    You tell me to "grow up" while you and your ilk sit at your computer demanding things you haven't the slightest idea about, go back to playing call of duty, the adults are in charge and they will make the decisions, and if it does come to fighting they will be the ones doing it while you cower under your bed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Well that's a blatant lie, I argued against banning and indeed interning EVERY Russian person on the continent as you and others stupidly proposed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Rheinmetall said that it had over a hundred Marder light tanks ready to send to Ukraine last February, the German Govt declined, we now hear that they are hoping to get them delivered by end of Q1.


    Any weapon systems that will cause problems for Russia, the policy is to delay and be the last to send.


    There is rumours in Germany that the coalition partners are talking about a no confidence vote in Scholz, trying to put pressure to break Socialist solidarity with Russia. I think it will take the vote to force it, hard to change all life time outlook.

    "It’s always a similar pattern: First they say ‘no,’ then they fiercely defend their decision, only to say ‘yes’ in the end. We are still trying to understand why the German government is doing this to itself." To quote the Ukrainian Foreign Minister this week.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Only in Lalaland. This is not a Hollywood flic.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Missiles fired a Kiev where fired from North direction using a ballistic trajectory hard to detect hence the late air raid warning a new first again in savagery which Russia keeps giving.

    So Belarus is allowing it country to fire missiles at Ukraine

    Poland should have war games on the border.

    Ukraine should be given long range weapons to return fire on origins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    It wasn't a discussion about visas though it was a discussion about locking up every Russian citizen no matter how long they had been in European countries.


    As for thinking I'm in any way pro-russian tour obviously clueless and not worth any more of my time, go back to playing war games on your pc and pretending you have a clue about how wars are fought.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Putins besty action friend... well there was me thinking it used to be yer man Segal. Now it appears it was this fella.

    I suppose there are a few Russians that think Putin has lost his marbles.

    PS Putin seems to like the Hollywood/actors lot, doesn't he? Putin in fantasy land and well down the ol rabbit hole.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Russians who stay silent are condoning this savagery

    They deserve to be ostracised where ever they roam



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Did you say the same about the Irish when the IRA were blowing up kids?

    Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see Putin get killed, Russia to pull out of Ukraine (totally) and to see that country become the new NK until such a time as deemed they can be welcome back into civilised society.

    What I don't agree with is blaming every single Russian citizen, even those who haven't lived there for decades for the actions of Putin. You do know you can be totally against something without going public for all to see right?

    Would you do it knowing you were putting your family back home at risk? Again it seems the ones who shout loudest are the ones who are in the safest places 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yes I agree - it is the moral duty of ALL Russians living in Ireland or elsewhere in Europe and the world, to get the message back to their families and communities back home that their state is engaged in an entirely illegal war and inflicting great damage and civilian casualties on their neighbours and former friends.

    Every Russian living here who is silent is complicit in supporting this barbarity.

    And in answer to our resident Russian Timberr, yes the vast majority of citizens of this Republic were appalled by the actions of the Provisional IRA and condemned them outright. Timberr must have a very simplistic grasp of Irish history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    How do you know Russians aren't contacting family and telling them whats going on?

    I dont recall condemnation if Irish citizens from Americans, Canadians, Australians towards Irish citizens in their countries after kids were blown up by terrorists.

    As for "resident russian" 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,820 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Did you say the same about the Irish when the IRA were blowing up kids?

    I was barely a teen when the GFA came about so didn't have a well informed opinion of the IRA. However, growing up, I didn't know anybody who had a single supportive thing to say about the IRA.

    Stupid analogy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    yes the vast majority of citizens of this Republic were appalled by the actions of the Provisional IRA and condemned them outright

    Source?

    As for Russian citizens abroad, what do you expect them to do?

    If they speak out and gain attention they put themselves and their family's lives at risk. The FSB have shown that international borders are no limit to their meddling and assassination attempts. Ivan from Dublin protests against the war? Next thing you know a crackpot team of "tourists" are sent from Russia to go visit christchurch cathedral.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Weren't you in the Orc forces sent over by her Majesty's Government for a special military operation in the North of Ireland?

    Not a mobik either but signed up for the payment like a Wagner soldier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I am old enough, I don't recall Irish citizens in other countries going on air condemning the IRA, I don't recall any outrage the likes of which others are asking for now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Did you say the same about the Irish when the IRA were blowing up kids?

    If you want to use that whataboutery as an analogy, you are leaving yourself open to the response that the IRA were fighting against colonial invaders and oppressors and can claim that their position was closer to that of the Ukrainians than the Russians.


    Most people wouldn't agree with such a simplistic comparison. But if you make it on one side, you would want to expect similar to be coming back at you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,687 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    This ends your whataboutery. Not debating this off topic nonsense any further given that it is demonstrably false.


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I'm pointing out that terrorists from any country should be condemned but it seems our resident keyboard warriors don't like when you shine a light on their hypocrisy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And maybe they are or maybe they're not contacting family as you suggest yourself "Would you do it knowing you were putting your family back home at risk? Again it seems the ones who shout loudest are the ones who are in the safest places 🙄"

    I don't understand the rest of your point. This is the largest war occurring on the edge of Europe since WW2 and threatens to spill over. It is having an impact one way or another on the vast majority of other European citizens and the peoples of neighbouring Asian states.

    Russian citizens here have a moral duty to do what they can to counter the internal Russian propaganda. Yet we see casual reports from Irish people who work with Russians here and observe that they do not engage about the war, just shrug. Not good enough.

    As for 'Resident Russian' that is a term for those who populate this thread and who defend or deflect from the actions of the state of Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    The same folk who fight such a good fight here. 50 posts a day in some cases and not one of them will go off and actually fight "the orcs" themselves, though the Ukrainians would gladly accept and train and equip them.

    Easier to sit at home collecting the dole in Ireland and post twitter rumours all day .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Bono


    I'm talking about the average citizen who was living abroad in Australia, Canada, US etc the same way the warriors here are saying Russian citizens should be loudly protesting against the Russian regime even if it gets their families killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm not going down the rabbit hole of IRA atrocities but I did live through the daily news of the 1970s/ 80s and early 90s. All I ever heard was total disgust at the murders, disappearing of people and bombings. The only place you'd have heard Up the Ra was in drunken bar room talk.

    Yes I think it is entirely proper for resident Russians to speak up and take the risk of attention from the FSB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,860 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Can you show me a single post where I have "defended or deflected from the actions of the Russian state"?

    Me pointing out the kids in here calling for WW3 or making idiotic suggestions isn't defending or deflecting from anything, it's me pointing out that they have no clue what they are talking about and they really should hope that they don't get what they seemingly dream about because if this does escalate then it will affect every single life on this planet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    People have a right to fight back against aggressive foreign armies, indeed they have an obligation to do so.


    I hope that the Ukrainian version of the PIRA is as successful in mostly taking out enemy combatants.



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