General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

theoneeyedman · 15-01-2023 11:36AM

The hype around the relegation places is overplayed and dangerous, and doesn't really do anyone down there any good.

I'm no Everton or Lampard fan, but the hype around them 'falling into the relegation places' last week, same as Moyes/West Ham this week, is pretty meaningless and nonsensical really. It sells papers and clicks, but apart from that it does more harm than good - like potentially Everton are one win away from 14th in the table because the table is so tight!

Are we going to ba assailed by banner headlines all season about the next team FALLS INTO BOTTOM 3,!!! because of one set of results. Fvckin tiring.

eh i dunno · 15-01-2023 11:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110925#Comment_120110925

No but because we asked for better we are constantly reminded of it. Can you imagine Big Sam arriving at Anfield. Liverpool fans would be going mental.

Would Liverpool fans take Rafa back this summer if Klopp leaves? Great coach and done loads for Hillsborough so that makes him the best man for the job?

thebaz · 15-01-2023 11:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110993#Comment_120110993

Would United fans have been happy with Dyche in the summer ??

We are down , but making sweeping statements about our fanbase , when ther own would do the same . most clubs fans want to win and be entertained too.

Brighton model seams right .

Drumpot · 15-01-2023 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110869#Comment_120110869

I think this new offside rule needs to be tweaked like the handball in box rule or defenders just have to adapt.

It is intesting though because , if you keep the rule it brings dark art strategies for teams to use. Like the way defenders are allowed to obstruct players , play the man not the ball when trying to usher a ball out of play. In most parts of pitch that’s obstruction.

The rule also brings some drama back into the sport. Subjective rules do add drama, you can’t and won’t ever sterilise the game to perfection but I don’t think anybody wants that.. Isn’t the debate on the allowing of the goal part of the fun?

Can defenders not relearn how to react to this law? Why should the law be cancelled now because defenders are used to pushing for offsides? Might this law not make attacking play in the game in general more important and thus provide more goals?

Imagine them cancelling the back pass rule because keepers at the time couldn’t pass or be sweeper keepers. Would we have Alison and ederson keepers thriving?

The big question is , can the rule improve the game? I think it can , even if it is annoying when it’s your team that concedes a goal. There is no pain in change, it’s the resistance to change that’s the problem.

Same with shirt pulling, particularly at corners. It’s subjective interpretation of whether or not the pulling has affected the fouled player.

Ball hits my hand that’s on my chest (so no advantage, would of hit my chest anyways), I I score it’s disallowed, if another player scores it’s not handball. Makes no sense at all, just make it that if ball hits a forwards hand, unless it’s Henry level obvious or hand in position that clearly helped , then it’s a goal.

We want more goals and attacking play, we’ll reward it more. Then defenders have to just learn to deal with it like GKs had to learn to deal with radical changes to their position.

Loafing Oaf · 15-01-2023 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110845#Comment_120110845

Dilemma Everton board face is if they take a punt on a manager who plays attacking football like Bielsa, there's a high risk they'll go down this season, even if it works out in the long run. Whereas if they appoint someone they can be reasonably confident will keep them up like Dyche or, God save us, Big Sam again, the fans will not wear them in the long run. Ideal scenario for Moshiri is to hire someone like Dyche till the end of the season, then look for someone more aesthetically minded in the summer, but anyone capable of keeping them up is unlikely to take the job on that basis...

ShamoBuc · 15-01-2023 12:48PM

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pjohnson · 15-01-2023 12:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111135#Comment_120111135

Especially when its likely that Leicester and/or West Ham will also have vacancies quite soon. So its a very unattractive job now.

theoneeyedman · 15-01-2023 12:56PM

The irony is that if the defender had kicked Rashford up the ar5e in the box they'd have gotten away with it, because the VAR would have disallowed the penalty for the earlier offside.

This is clearly the best way for defenders to deal with these situations!

SlickRic · 15-01-2023 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111199#Comment_120111199

This is exactly what I was thinking.

The problem is they didn't have that option because they didn't know for sure if Rashford was off.

machiavellianme · 15-01-2023 01:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107687#Comment_120107687

If you offered Liverpool a 60 year old Alex Ferguson when they were floundering in the 90s and 00s, they'd have snapped your hand off. Only the most blinkered of fans would have said otherwise.

ShamoBuc · 15-01-2023 01:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111343#Comment_120111343

I reckon there would have been a lot more 'blinkered' liverpool fans out there than you think - and not necessarily blinkered either.

Managers can easily do a great job with one club and do a crap job with the next. Potter the current example.

breezy1985 · 15-01-2023 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111343#Comment_120111343

No they wouldn't have.

Avon8 · 15-01-2023 01:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120110909#Comment_120110909

Are you being serious here? In that graphic the left back passes the ball back. To my knowledge, that has never resulted in an offside for the 'attacker' in the history of football. You can't be offside from an intentional pass by the opponent

The rashford and salah situations are balls played forward by an attacker where the defender gets influenced by the other attacker in an offside position. It's comparing apples with car tyres

If its an attempt to paint the Salah goal as fair because the defender played an inadvertent ball back due to salahs presence, while also painting the rashford one as unfair, then it's a painfully bad one

eh i dunno · 15-01-2023 01:54PM

Would Liverpool fans take any of the following in the summer?

Big Sam

Vitor Pereira

Rafa Benitez

ShamoBuc · 15-01-2023 02:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111419#Comment_120111419

Why would they? Klopp isn't going anywhere. When Klopp does decide to go, it will depend on who is available then I would imagine and even then I couldn't see Sam at Anfield under any circumstances to be honest - he might be working by that stage anyway.

TitianGerm · 15-01-2023 02:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111453#Comment_120111453

Big Sam is a man to stop you getting relegated. Liverpool won't be looking anywhere near him unless they're in that situation. That's where Everton are and that's why he's mentioned in relation to Everton.

ShamoBuc · 15-01-2023 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111493#Comment_120111493

That's why I think he might be working before seasons end.

fyfe79 · 15-01-2023 02:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111199#Comment_120111199

Had a conversation with a Utd fan today and I said the same thing. If the defender (Ikanje?) had simply gone through the back of Rashford without even making an attempt to play the ball, then the lino's offside flag would've been upheld with no punishment for the defender as it would've been obvious that Rashford was now interfering with play. The fact he didn't do it, (probably) knowing Rashford to be offside and interfering with play, and I'd imagine, assuming he would be flagged, Ikanje only jogged back. It's like this fairly large loophole has now been exposed.

Managers may now instruct their defender, if they're sure they've caught their man offside, to unceremoniously take out the attacker (with no punishment) to prevent an on-rushing midfielder (like Fernandes yesterday) taking advantage of the loophole.

eh i dunno · 15-01-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111453#Comment_120111453

Would you take a proven winner like Rafa Benitez if Klopp moves on?

15-01-2023 02:47PM

Holy **** the state of the team Chelsea put out

15-01-2023 02:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120107702#Comment_120107702

You really do drag the conversation into the dirt

ShamoBuc · 15-01-2023 02:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111630#Comment_120111630

I've a lot of time for Rafa and with better owners, I think he would have done an even better job with Liverpool.

Not sure if he would be a good fit in a couple of years time.

Drumpot · 15-01-2023 02:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111621#Comment_120111621

I actually think it’s even easier then that. Defender doesn’t need to go through Rashford , all they need to do is catch him and make it clearly look like Rashfords preventing them (obstruction) from challanging for the ball. That’s clear obstruction and interference.

Had Rashford not been there or even if Rashford stopped in offside position as soon as pass was made and the same ball was played , would Ikanje of been able to prevent Bruno from scoring? That’s ultimately the question in his part in this. Since he assumed Rashford was offside he wasn’t reacting so might not of seen Bruno’s run.

Guess we will never know but it’s fun to be on the right side of a decision against city. Been watching them get away with cynical fouling and dark arts for years , so they deserve a bit of cuteness used against them.

kowloonkev · 15-01-2023 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111011#Comment_120111011

Brighton spent their first few years in the PL scrapping to avoid relegation. Even the first two years of Potter were like that. There's no way Everton fans would have given Potter the time he had at Brighton.

So there's no point in really comparing the 'model' of those two clubs because Brighton fans have much lower expectations and are able to give time to the man they believe in, while Everton fans don't have the patience for that, regardless of the style of football in my opinion. I think if Rafa had got the results last season playing conservative football, and managed a top six finish the Everton fans would have been singing his name from the rafters.

Drumpot · 15-01-2023 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111632#Comment_120111632

Are you suggesting that discussions on a soccer forum do not have strong elements of bias where one set of fans will over inflate things against rivals when it suits them and under play events or situations when it equally suits them or they don’t care? I didn’t even think that was in question that we all see things with rose tinted glasses, admittedly some more then others. So I don’t see how the post you picked out is that remarkable.

Regardless, you didn’t actually make any point other then insulting me for some weird reason. Do you see the irony in you accusing me of dragging the conversation into the dirt when that’s literally all you have done in your post?

pjohnson · 15-01-2023 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111493#Comment_120111493

Its like wondering why Pep/Klopp/Zidane wont be in the running to get the Bournemouth/Southampton jobs at any stage. Such a hilarious question.

Drumpot · 15-01-2023 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111753#Comment_120111753

This makes me think of something I thought about but forgot to ask others, How was Anchelloti ever Everton manager?

Its comparable maybe with van de Saar being at Fulham just before he joined United and won leagues and champions league. Both just far too good to be at those levels when they still had so much quality.

TipsyMcStagge · 15-01-2023 03:22PM

Fulham doing a job on Newcastle here so far frustrating quietening the crowd. Schar very unlucky there off the post Newcastle cranking it up now. Chelsea lead.

ShamoBuc · 15-01-2023 03:24PM

Havertz heads Chelsea ahead.

Drumpot · 15-01-2023 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120111774#Comment_120111774

Couple of peno shouts for Fulham

General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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