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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    Keep them behind your lines taking out tanks and short range artillery positions. The apache is very capable of defending itself once facing the enemy head on. It when you start flying sorties over enemy lines that you'll get a stinger up your jacksy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,844 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The mirror.... Yeah I'd wait for a more trustworthy source.

    Haven't even heard of the UK requesting permission from the US to give them to Ukraine

    Even the quotes from the source in the article seems sensational like a sales pitch from Boeing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,223 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The Ukrainian flag is flying on the outskirts and it's been geolocated it's infact just over the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Weapons that can bring a quicker end to suffering have to be a priority now

    Before Russia gets the upper hand and if it does it will mock the west for been to scared of its idle threats then it will be to late.

    I think it will take a long time to train pilots for operate apache helicopters.

    Braver moves needed by the west in 2023



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    True. But the Apache is pretty much like most attack helicopters. It's going to be stuff like switch locations Radar operation. I think they still use the targeting reticule as an eyepiece that will be the most difficult part to get used to. Flying the thing would be a pretty common feature to any Ukrainian piolet. We have seen they can fly nape of the earth in videos. Wont be hard to teach them how to hover behind cover and use the top mounted sensor system to identify targets before firing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Story seems to be getting legs. Apache's would be massive and game changer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Sorry to disappoint some here, but the news is that Soledar is still holding as of this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Wagner have already nearly burned through all the mobilized convicts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,571 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I said I'm out but I'm here now one last time because I want to set the record straight.

    I am not - for the record - a friend of Russia and its actions. I simply reject this simple message that most seem to prefer here. It is not IMO the action of a rogue nation or that of a lone lunatic who wants to restore Russia to greatness or something.

    In my opinion - and this is going to be a simple and not very fitting metaphor but will serve for now - it is a game of chess between USA and Russia. Where USA has moved a pawn into action and said 'check' and now the other party makes their even uglier move. It's a cynical and horrible game of chess with both parties being sh1ts but it is not Russias game alone.

    Also one last note on all your accusations of genocide and child raping and systematic war crimes etc. You do realise that Ukraine has complete authority on the information coming out of this war? You take every Ukrainian piece of information for gospel, do you really think they have no incentive to paint the most horrible picture possible truth or lies? You really think they are telling you the truth in everything whereas Russia is only telling lies? Surely that is a bit unlikely, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Everyone can see with their own eyes the civilian buildings being reduced to rubble, attacks on civilian infrastructure and a huge humanitarian crisis, all this done to a peaceful nation by a rogue one.

    Half of Europe still remember the Russian liberation and denazification, raping killings and plundering so when Ukraine is saying russians did this I tend to assume they actually did much worse.

    But let's not rush to conclusions comrades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Have to assume Wallace-Daly Jnr. is just having a laugh.

    Anyone who can crap out and believe ramblings like that needs help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    And not only in Ukraine, bring on modern weapons so this terrorist nation can be battlefield anialated on mass no prisoners unless officers

    We didn't know we where going to fight in Ukraine, zombies I still find hard to believe



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The front line between Russia and Ukraine is pretty much fixed and likely to head back towards Russia in the coming months.

    Russia is spunking much missiles at buildings in Ukraine, but not killing many civilians (relatively).

    Russia is slowly destroying its economy and its ability to be belligerent.

    Most Russian atrocities now they are being held up in Ukraine are against Russians behind their lines.

    Europe/The West are acting more slowly/cautious than I’d like, but what they are doing - letting the drunk thug swinging and tiring themselves out - is working very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin



    Number is going to go a lot higher 🤬

    Needs to be a big reaction to this. 12 British tanks just doesn't cut it.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh they've little enough choice, but when corporations that powerful get in the door it's worrying, especially on virgin ground like Ukraine. Smacks of Haliburton and Iraq. And I'd not want them here either, but FFG are only too happy to encourage them and those like them. They're anything but a "good thing".

    The only "good thing" about this I see and like I said before, is The Money has decided that Russia has lost and they're investing in the winning side. Blackrock ready to move in is a significantly bigger sign of that than a handful of Challenger tanks from the UK.

    Always follow the money. That's why it's been my contention that Russia seizing the Airbus/Boeing fleet was one of their biggest and stupidest moves of this whole murderous idiocy, on or off the battlefield. You can largely "get away" with murdering civilians with enough surface contrition, sacrificial scapegoats and time, but pissing off The Money of the world is much harder to come back from.

    But like you I lay more blame at the feet of those like the German authorities and the EU to a lesser extent. They left it wide open for corporate interests and US corporate interests with it to slide in. Oh they'll be far better masters than Moscow, but they'll be masters nonetheless.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Very little of anything.

    We have a small number of javelins and other Anti tank weapons and some Giraffe anti aircraft systems .



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's not a video game. The training and support for such incredibly complex systems is extensive. You can't just hand pilots a manual and off they go. However the UK have been training Ukrainian forces in the UK, so it's entirely feasible that they've also been training some of Ukraine's pilots in these systems at the same time. The logistics and support are another thing. Spares, ammo, groundcrew training etc. It's why I've considered wild talk of F16's and the like scuttlebutt.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,852 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I’ve a feeling you’re coming from a more HATE the EU rather than hating Russia, and shoe horning your own agenda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,890 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If it's a negligible amount (in the context of what's being used daily over there), then it may not be worth sending anything. There's also this other argument you hear that Ireland's defences are woefully understocked as it is and we therefore need more of everything to deter foreign aggression and/or be able to police our borders, territorial waters and airspace. So you'd expect those people to clear their throat if it came out that Ireland was donating what little usable weaponry it had.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,436 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Shame on me, you and all of us here in the EU. We should be out protesting as civilians or we're no better.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It pretty much sums up the clusterfúck this insane war is. And what the hell were the organisers of this nonsense doing letting Russia "compete"?

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    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's been a few months since I sent my last letter, but this reminds to try again. Politicians will only act if people demand it.

    I wouldn't be hopeful of weapons, but we certainly could do more to provide non-lethal aid (helmet's, medical supplies, body armour, etc).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Typical cowards in Russia are saying the missle strike in Dnipro wasn't their fault,the Ukrainans shot it causing it to crash into the building therefore it wasn't our fault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Ireland was committed to supporting Ukraine with non lethal aid and that there were discussions with the EU partners on a package. She must have been referring to this which happened a few weeks after I got my response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,568 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Russian tank battalion suffers catastrophic losses.



    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Someone with more military knowledge that me can expand on whether this would even be useful anyway, but we also have a double neutrality problem.

    We ourselves are neutral, and would need a change in our Constitution to donate arms to Ukraine and secondly some of our equipment is Switz, which as a neutral country does not allow it's equipment to be exported to a country actively involved in war like Ukraine.

    The majority of our IFV's are Mowag Piranhas III's which are Switz, some of our heavy mortars are also Switz and this probably (again someone with actually military knowledge can correct me on this) is the only offensive equipment we have which would be moderately useful to the Ukrainians at the moment. Perhaps our anti-tank weapons aswell, but what could we even afford to give away there 1,000-1,500 ?, it's negligible stuff.

    Our best course of action is to increase humanitarian aid, to lessen the load on some other countries and allow them to concentrate their resources and money on sending offensive weapons beyond our capabilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Exactly. Weapons just won't happen, but there is still more we can do.



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