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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Hugh Wallace and Pat short crowbared into Creedons atlas of Ireland this evening, Wallace and Short must be made guys in montrosia at this stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Vogue and Rory's stories will be shoehorned into it next. Guarantee it. Them, and Joanne McNally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I'd argue that both Naked Camera and The Fear were good hidden camera shows, RTÉ like it because it is a straight forward concept, but putting non-comedians to front and par-take in the show doesn't really make sense.

    They also have a love affair with the dating/marriage show, from Don't Tell The Bride to Say Yes To The Dress from First Dates to pulling with my parents and now we have "The Farmer needs a Wife" under a different name.

    Also the intro to The Full Irish Hidden Camera Show is vomit inducing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Naked Camera was fine in the beginning, but the more the show was seen, the more recognised the comedians were. And that made it more difficult to get away with the pranks. I think even PJ Gallagher admitted to that. The more the show went on, the less and less their skits were successful. The Fear mostly wasn't comedians, and so the skits fell flat. Scorchio was just a disaster from the get go. Caught ten minutes, and sat there stony faced the whole time.

    Amazing how quickly Doireann dropped Dermot Whelan, after their 'plan' to prank so many Irish celebrities... but of course, that doesn't help Doireann's image, I guess. And they abandoned the 'prank' celebs, and went with ordinary folks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,895 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,270 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭jippo nolan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,895 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Is there literally no other talent agency in the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Anyway DG job is being advertised for anyone interested in the role, I am guessing that its mainly a non-job and most people with some work-experience could "run" RTÉ.

    But as we come to the end of the 7 years of her tenure, 3 public consultations in that period, the move of the NSO and choirs to the NCH, how do the wait and see people here really think of RTÉ under Dee Forbes? Or should we have another consultation?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,189 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Meanwhile on RTÉ2 at 8pm on a Thursday night we have an episode of Hotel Chocolat: unwrapped which was originally aired in 2020.

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    RTÉ ladies & Gentlemen….

    Find Your Feelgood.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Re the Toy show musical - That's it is it?

    RTE basically took a couple of pallets of our cash, brought them out to the back of the studios, helped themselves to large wads of the cash for salaries/fees etc, and then burned the remaining cash on an ill contrived vanity project with no follow up, no accountability - that's it, lets just move on.

    WTF is this country like?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,189 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I’d give them some credit and assume they at least filmed one of the performances to be shown ad nauseam for infinity…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    You'd hope, I would have no problem with this as a film or even as an RTÉjr Christmas special, filmed in RTÉ Studios.

    Even the Toy Show studio, while I understand that they have to put money into it, its hard to understand why they never used the studio for children's TV the following year, to get more use out of it. Though now that they have in-house children's TV that cann't be done.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    They can't plan because of the licence fee collection method. They can't plan.

    Toy Show Musical was a failure ... but they plan to try again with it? I think. I have become so unwilling to listen to the RTÉ crowd at this point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,857 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    RTÉ executive Rory Coveney, who is strategic adviser to director-general Dee Forbes, reiterated to the Oireachtas media committee RTÉ's position that a household-based charge, decoupled from ownership of a television, is required to sustainably fund its public service remit.

    But if everyone pays the same charge, as with current system, isn't that pretty regressive? I suspect RTE would still prefer direct exchequer funding as recommended by the commission and this is next best thing for them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,638 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I have a feeling they'll 'rest it', which is code-word for 'cancelled, but we don't want to upset Noel Kelly'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Regardless just think about signing off on this would work. I don't see any improvement in RTÉ by signing such blank cheques.

    RTÉ can't plan. As I have said before the Minister gave the go ahead for the move of the NSO to the NCH in budget 2021, that move did not take place until 2022, even though it had been in planning since 2018. Why were RTÉ not able to successfully move the NSO to the NCH in 2021? costing them €8m.

    Secondly RTÉ have received increases from the licence fee, from the return of Licence fee funding that TG4 received in 2018 and increase from the Social Protection department, an increase of €10m per year over 5 years since 2020.

    And what about Exchequer funding does it work...?

    Well when you consider that from 2011 to 2017 TG4 had a reduction in its exchequer funding and had it replace by TV licence fee funding the answer is NO. (A decision made by a Green Minister, someone who would have no political bias against RTÉ or TG4).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    For the first time in a while I agree with the government and it's ministers. In effect the cabinet have said that RTÉ need to reform and look at their cost base, before they begin to consider meeting their demands for more money.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Paywalled but I kinda get the idea - About feckin time.

    Catherine also kicked the direct funding to touch as well a good while back -

    Catherine Martin, the minister in charge of media, said government will be adopting 49 of the 50 Commission’s recommendations, but wants an “alternative approach” to the Commission’s recommendation on a new funding model.

    Minister Martin explained: “Key among the report’s recommendations is reforming and enhancing the TV licence. The government has decided that in order to maintain a direct link between media and the public they serve, and to minimise the risk of actual or perceived political interference in media independence, the TV licence will be maintained but overhauled.

    That bold bit ^ was always why direct Exchequer funding could never be a runner



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,742 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The luvvies at rte will not like that one bit.

    Being told they are getting paid plenty already and to do more with it.

    They'll not be able to waste it like they usually do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,112 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Well just in the last few months they've blown 80k on the Autumn launch, spent a huge (unknown) amount tarting up the Radio 1 studios and the icing on the cake, the massive amount burnt on the TSTM.

    Lets just be grateful the MI crew weren't sent over to Davos for the week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    TBH I like that they improved their sets in the Radio News Room... however the money would have been better spent improving their output on the News Channel.

    I also notice that some of Fair City actors refused to sign contracts. RTÉ new the issue surrounding those contractors, and waited until contracts were due to be signed!

    I am not a regular viewer of RTÉ News can anyone tell me if they have heard or seen any of their correspondents on the air? I see Reynold's is about and most of the local correspondents, but see little from the others.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Has RTÉ ever been involved or funded any part of an Irish Oscar success story?

    TG4's CINE4 (which has co-funding from the Screen Ireland and the BAI) shows TG4's flexibility, I'd hope that if either of the co-sponsors decide to drop out of the project that TG4 would consider continuing it even if it is in a smaller scale. I am not sure how much each funding partner put into, perhaps TG4 put in little and almost all of the funding comes from SI and the BAI, it is however commission through TG4, so its TG4's team.

    Just to rephrase RTÉ's statement on TSTM and relate it to TG4 funding of CINE4: -

    TG4 is very proud to be supporting and investing in Irish creative and cinematic talent, writers, composers, actors, producers, directors, designers and all the production and technical specialists. In total, between the creative team, cast, and crew this film is giving employment to over 100 people during its production, in addition to distributors and marketing team.

    We are all too aware of how few opportunities there are in Ireland to work on projects of this scale and ambition. We feel very fortunate to be able to offer that opportunity to such a young and talented, almost fully Irish, team. TG4 supports the arts in many ways, but perhaps the most practical way is in creating meaningful creative opportunities and pathways for new talent.

    We are also delighted to be bringing a new, original, and uniquely Irish film to Irish audiences to sit alongside the international film productions which routinely come to the country. While Irish audiences certainly love the best films from Disney, Film4 and Hollywood we wanted to offer audiences a show that is rooted here – part of our culture and our imagination, but also with comparable ambition and production values. To do that requires investment in development and in talent and a willingness to take a multi-annual view on a return. It also requires a willingness to take some risk – creative projects, much like musicals and films, are always a risk.

    Yesterday at TG4's support paid off by achieving an Oscar nomination, having already achieved international and national critical acclaim. Go and see for yourself.

    Can you imagine what Dee Forbes and RTÉ would be saying all of yesterday had they been involved. It would be wall to wall RTÉ this RTÉ that RTÉ RTÉ RTÉ RTÉ.

    This is there stance on a failure image how up their own arses they'd be on a success.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,136 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    They're too busy hanging on the coattails of other broadcasters shows like Normal People



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    The government are having it both ways tho, when RTE tried to close Lyric FM's Limerick base and Longwave, the government bullied them into reversing those decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why shouldn't the government have a say in how a taxpayer funded organisation uses those funds...?

    The savings from those two things would have been paltry anyway and (a bit like closing the Vatican embassy) were meant to send a statement rather than actually address the large financial problems.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,266 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I would disagree with this analysis. I actually believe it is RTÉ who are bullying the government.

    Take your Lyric FM example.

    1. It starts with Prime Time being used to highlight that RTÉ could close Lyric FM completely (something that the report should have pointed out was unlikely to happen because RTÉ would need to get permission from the Minister, no minister would have agreed)
    2. Over the next week, or so, RTÉ downplay it to "well we might have to close the Lyric FM studio" (I was in the Oireachtas as TD and Sentor from Limerick came into tell RTÉ that this cannot happen)
    3. Then the government had an emergency meeting and a Dail debate was organized Dec 2019, which lead to Minister Bruton giving RTÉ an extra €10m in funding every year over the next 5 years.
    4. In 2020 RTÉ reduced funding to Lyric FM by around €500,000 while increasing funding to an ever declining 2FM (RTÉ have funding 2FM from the licence fee since 2011, or so, previously it was self-sufficient something RTÉ were all to proud to announce).
    5. All of this is along with, the return of funding to TG4 from the licence fee in 2019 worth an additional ~€8m to RTÉ per year, the move of the NSO in 2022 worth a saving of €8m per year to RTÉ (which should have happened in 2021 but for some apparent reason didn't happen).
    6. That's an additional €26m that RTÉ will have in 2023, because of their strategic Begging Bowl (they also got an their Social Welfare money returned, not sure how much that was worth).
    7. And then they go and fund a Theatrical Musical, can you imagine if either Screen Ireland, the BAI or TG4 did this?
    8. My point is that RTÉ would be shouting it from the roof tops at their success at the Oscars and they would use it to build the idea for an increase in funding. Something TG4 is doing but its not getting as much air time as poor old ... ikell RTÉ, awh the poor ikle baba can't Plan, it just can't, no,it can't, here's €160 for you, here you go, yes you do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Karppi


    That is a brilliant analysis of what's going on. Thank you!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,189 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Saturday night- Lines are now closed….. yeah, that’s because it was originally broadcast in April 2022…..

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    Pr1cks



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