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Harry and Meghan

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Seems to be a theme that you seek out the factual incorrect ones though. 😂

    No, the public has not tired of hearing about Prince Harry. Sales for “Spare” have placed the Duke of Sussex in some rarefied company.

    Penguin Random House announced Wednesday that first day sales for the Harry’s tell-all memoir topped 1.4 million copies, a record pace for non-fiction from a company that also publishes Barack and Michelle Obama, whose “Becoming” needed a week to reach 1.4 million when it was released in 2018



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    It was captioned "Royal Baby leaves hospital". Maybe it was some more of that ''unconscious bias'' we hear about. This is how BBC report it and which Baker tries to explain it away. But seriously, how would you feel if that is how your child was portrayed. Did he do it with any of William's children who doesn't have an African American mother.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48212693



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Baker is a fúcking clown, typified "football banz" in the 90s.

    He was fired about half a dozen times.

    He was always going to end up grifting on patreon or whatever bollix he is at now.

    As for Clarkson he was also fired from the Beeb for belting a producer because he didn't get the type of steak he required.

    He is still employed, by ITV, Amazon and the Sun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    If that's what you want. Why didn't the lad that posted that include the rest of it?

    If you read the whole story it's an hilarious awkward comical anecdote that firmly pokes fun at himself.

    No revenue clicks or twitter likes in that I suppose. 🤷‍♂️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    Did he apologise for it. From BBC article he didn't. Same with Clarkson and the Sun. They did not apologise. I think there were about 20,000 complaints for Clarkson's article, and neither the Sun or Clarkson apologised and there have been no repercussions for Clarkson or the Sun. At least the BBC did something about their employee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,389 ✭✭✭Be right back


    It is hard to tell between parody and what Harry has actually written. The tone of 'poor me' is so far removed from reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,389 ✭✭✭Be right back


    I agree, not replying to that poster anymore. They should start a pro Meghan and Harry thread!😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,929 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    i have to say I agree it is petty- poetic licence is likely found in pretty much every autobiography and most people concentrate on the essence of what is said vs the detail.

    While undoubtedly there are elements of the press just waiting to pounce on the slightest thing when it comes to this particular book, Harry’s insistence that the book is the holy gospel according to Harry, kindof compounds that criticism



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    Having listened to Danny Baker for years and knowing how often he used the chimp term it wouldn't bother me. If this was the only time he'd ever used it that would be a different matter.

    He had often described members of the British Royal family as chimps yes.

    He did apologise and has said numerous times that what he posted was wrong.

    There is huge unconscious racism in our society that needs to be addressed - google the term Nitty Gritty and it's perceived origins and then think about how many times that's used in every day conversation. Unfortunately I think that making issues of things that aren't racist or were most definitely not meant to be damages the fight against actual racism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    google the term Nitty Gritty and it's perceived origins and then think about how many times that's used in every day conversation.

    Urban myth, has absolutely nothing do with Slave ships or the Slave trade.

    I'm sure a member of the RF can verify that. 😂



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    That's exactly it, when I read it I rolled my eyes because it's very like what he has written. It's really not the gotcha some posters think it is.

    Harry has zero self-awareness, crying to all and sundry about the impact of his life in a fishbowl, after taking himself out of one and willingly jumping into another, all the while throwing out all these bizarre and inappropriate memories for his own children to read in time.

    Did it to protect his children, yet happy enough to have their pictures out there and ensure they're going to need therapy in the future. Unfortunately his children won't have the option of a family to crawl back to because they don't know them apart from Doria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Scott Tenorman


    “That poster” is shining a light on the insane hysteria that is going on in this thread.

    Keep up the good work @Boggles 👏👏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,905 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Yes, it's not meant to be a historical and chronological timeline of his life (in the way that an academic would research and write about someone's life). It's just him telling "my story" as he sees it. Accusing him of 'lying' is a bit crass, it's just his memories of things that happened to him.....people are perfectly free to accept or reject his memories of his life as they see fit.

    Also, an autobiography is meant to entertain and engage the listener in its writing and give them the thoughts and insights of the author. It's not supposed to be 'here's a chronological list of factual things that happened to me from the time I was born up until now'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    So is it correct that he has said the storey in his own book about killing Taliban is incorrect ?

    Or is it clickbait



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,905 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    No, on US TV he was saying that the way that the British tabloids reported the part about killing 25 Taliban was totally out of context. They reported it last week as "Harry brags about killing 25 Taliban", but in the book the section where he talks about his time in battle is quite long and he talks about his feelings about having to kill people and how he dealt with it mentally at the time and afterwards. Also, it seems all of these ex-military guys who were condemning him in the media were doing so in response to the tabloid headlines (a bit of a 'rent a gob' thing going on) and none of them had even read the section of the book where he discusses Afghanistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭valoren


    The early reporting was missing context.

    Timeline

    1. Royal Prince writes a memoir for millions of dollars.

    2. Royal Prince writes about his time in Afghanistan in the memoir.

    3. Book is released early in Spain. In Spanish. Obviously.

    4. Hacks with a copy scramble to translate as much as possible and, in the sprint to get a scoop, zero in on Royal Prince writing about killing 25 Taliban and describing them as chess pieces.

    5. Writing about such specifics is criticised and condemned by Military commentators in the media.

    6. General consensus to anyone with common sense is that writing about this puts his family at risk and security costs for something like the Invictus Games will inevitably increase.

    7. Royal Prince is doing a promotional bit on a TV Show.

    8. Royal Prince says the British Press are responsible for putting his family in danger. Not his memoir.

    9. Royal Prince says the context was missing in the reporting i.e. that he'd been trained to compartmentalise and dehumanise the enemy (e.g. seeing them as removable chess pieces on the battleground board).

    10. Royal Prince says he was only writing about his kills to reduce veteran suicides.

    11. Royal Prince likely engaging in damage limitation in case the MOD cuts ties altogether with Invictus Games.

    12. Royal Prince is the hero and the victim at the same time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,929 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    It would appear that the only thing Harry has even tried to apologise for in his book is the wearing of the Nazi uniform but even then, outsources the blame to Will and Kate.

    He admits no faults, no failings whatsoever. It must be great to be so perfect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭squidgainz


    What do ya mean? Why? This thread is a Harry and Meghan thread? I didn't think it was an anti harry and Meghan thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭rogber


    A terrible indictment of the reading tastes of the general public. Will doubtless be seen in many Spanish beach resorts from march to may, then many Oxfam shops for a pound/euro from June onwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭rogber




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,614 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    It's not an urban myth, there are different theories as to It's origins and that is one of them.

    I first heard it on BBC Radio 5 Live, the same Radio station that Danny Baker worked for. A black English woman was interviewed and went into great detail, there was a good bit of airtime devoted to it with a varietymof contributors. She perceived the term as racist, as do others. Is it only Harry and Meghan that are allowed to view things as racist? Why are this woman's feelings not valid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's not my opinion.

    There is absolutely no record of it, she pulled the theory out of her hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What followed was a firestorm, which I thought at times would engulf me. And I felt that I deserved to be engulfed. There were moments over the course of the next several weeks and months when I thought I might die of shame...I now felt something else, a bottomless self-loathing.

    No outsourcing of blame there.

    Again if your source for these things are the tabloids or GB news you will by extension spread disinformation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I know this has definetly been said, but for a couple that wanted privacy for themselves and their family they have been anything but private the past few years.

    Whatever sympathy I had for a multimillionaire royal has been well and truly eroded with all of these documentaries/books and interviews!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,572 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I know this has definetly been said, but for a couple that wanted privacy for themselves and their family they have been anything but private the past few years

    Really? Oprah interview, The Netflix Doc and the Book all in the last 9-10 months?

    AFAIK they aren't on social media or active anyway and I haven't seen them publicly anywhere else, apart from Harry at the funeral. So the past few years, no I think so.

    Also I don't think they wanted monk like privacy, they wanted the knuckle dragging press to stop the constant lies, bullying and dog whistling racism and their family to stop concluding with them. Now they are telling their story which they are fully entitled to, also Harry has said he is very much doing it for the money.

    I know, honesty from a royal or even comment is quite strange, but extremely refreshing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭MOR316




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭jm08


    According to wiki, there is no evidence of its use prior to the 20th century when slavery was prevalent. It attributes its origins to black jazz musicians.


    As well as that there is a department store called Nitty Gritty in Sweden and there is a band called the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.



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