Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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I know right. I noticed that constant rabbiting on a TV poll.

Who is arguing anyone should be happy about it? Personally I couldn’t give a flying fcuk, I suspect that’s not an uncommon attitude towards your ideas of how you think public money should be used, but when Governments are able to give €30M that they didn’t have to, to a toll road company as compensation for the loss of revenue, then that’s bound to raise a few eyebrows among the Public Accounts Committee -

https://businessplus.ie/news/toll-firms-compensation/

Provisions for refugees? Not so much.

This is nonsense for example if 3 billion of taxpayers money is earmarked just to provide for Ukranians then thats 3 billion that could gone towards housing, education,health etc.

That's not how a budget works, education, health, etc. Is core funding.

Things like the Ukrainian crisis, Covid, Brexit, etc is non core funding.

There is funds from EU that we have drawn from for all 3, technically it's an accountancy trick with numbers being moved around.

Pat Kenny just after pulling apart Nick Henderson of the Irish refugee Council. Poor old Nick didn't know what to say at the end of it, he was all over the place. He's so used to getting a soft touch from the Irish media that he was totally unprepared (and probably not capable enough either) for any sort of questioning on who's coming into Ireland, why they really are doing so and how are we going to accommodate them.

That's the thing, their whole ideology is totally reliant on a compliant media class. Once any hard questions are asked at all, it all falls apart, because it's legitimately indefensible. The media have brought us into this mess as much as any other group, as for years and years they nodded their heads, instead of doing what they should be doing, asking questions.

Chambers started off as a fairly bright prospect and the people of Mayo and Castlebar in particular had high hopes for her.She was doing particularly well in the early days of Brexit and was destined to be a big player and fresh new voice in FF.

The Dail voting scandal wasn't the end of her but more the way she squirmed and lied about it,kept digging a hole and made an eejit out of herself.She was swiftly given a kick up the @rse from the voting public in Mayo when she wasnt voted in in the next election.MM still had high hopes for her and snuck her into the Seanad to serve her penance.

She has no idea what's happening on the ground in her home town (where she doesn't live anymore) with the rising resentment at what was done to nearby village Breaffy (population 1000) now 1750 with Ukrainians and refugees.Important to note here that locals were happy to welcome and do their bit for Ukrainian refugees and the local hotel was given over. The local school is over capacity now and you can't get in to see a doctor but these are emergency times.What the local population are up in arms about is a sports hall beside the hotel covertly being turned into a DP centre for 250 people and migrants being bussed in there under cover of darkness with zero local consultation.It took nearly a month for authorities to even admit and acknowledge that this had happened. The contempt shown magnified the anger big time.

There is serious anger on the ground about this,Lisa is going to get yet another land at the next election and that'll be her nearly a decade not being a TD and she'll only be about 40 then.Thats some fall from grace and very badly played hand by her.

This is what this sort of fulmination sounds like to the political establishment

Any suggestion as to who these new super-articulate leaders might be, when they are likely to step forward?

What????

You telling me that somebody in the media actually challenged one of these people.

Thought I never see the day.

Must listen back although I probably be in state of shock.

As you say they have up to know got a easy ride

It was brilliant by kenny.your man was stuttering and stumbling with nothing to say

I'm paraphrasing here as its behind a pay wall but reported in the Times that Leo said we cant guarantee accomodation for everybody coming here be they Ukrainian or international protection and he says that's just the reality of it.

In the same article former justice minister Charlie Flanagan saying of O Gormans latest nonsense "the proposal was straying far outside the commitments agreed in the programme for government between his party, Fianna Fáil and Mr O’Gorman’s party, the Green Party.

The public sentiment is obviously getting through,SF have missed a trick.

Podcast still not up, boardsies noticed the short chat. Pat is just swaying with prevailing public opinion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120097561/#Comment_120097561

In the same article former justice minister Charlie Flanagan saying of O Gormans latest nonsense "the proposal was straying far outside the commitments agreed in the programme for government between his party, Fianna Fáil and Mr O’Gorman’s party, the Green Party.

(clear your browser cache and you should be able to quote the article text)

Flanagan is being something of an opportunist on this occasion. It’s important to remember that while they are in coalition Government, Flanagan is still FG, and O’ Gorman is still Green (no pun intended). Flanagan is taking what O’ Gorman said out of context to present a dishonest rebuttal to an idea which was never suggested.

In a strong criticism of the proposal, Mr Flanagan said making such suggestionswere not helpful and, if implemented, would put Ireland’s policies on immigration and asylum at odds with that of all other states in the European Union.

But it had already been made clear by O’ Gorman that European consensus would be required in order to make the proposal workable -

“It is making policy on the hoof and introducing an entire new category of person entitled to International protection,” said Mr Flanagan. “It comes at a time during which we are struggling to cope with the numbers of people coming into the country, either as refugees from Ukraine or seeking international protection.”

In floating the proposal earlier this week, Mr O’Gorman argued that a new defined group would need to be established within the asylum process to give protection to people fleeing their countries of origin for climate reasons.

He did add that Ireland could not do it alone but would have to act in concert with other countries. “I think that’s something I would like to see but I think that’s something that would have to be done at an international basis,” he said.

Flanagan is reading the room alright -

Mr Flanagan is one of a number of TDs who has questioned the timing of the initiative given the emergency accommodation crisis for those seeking refuge or protection in Ireland.

However, in relation to the Ukrainian refugees he believes no limits should be put in place.

“We cannot put a 70,000 ceiling on Ukrainian refugees. Russian aggression shows no sign of abating as we approach the first anniversary of what will be a long and dirty war. Numbers fleeing Putin’s terror will rise and providing safe haven must be Ireland’s focus in terms of housing, healthcare, education, jobs and welfare,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/01/11/ogormans-idea-of-asylum-for-climate-migrants-is-criticised-by-former-minister-for-justice/

However, in relation to the Ukrainian refugees he believes no limits should be put in place.

This is all very well, until you have both a feck load of irate Ukrainians, being shuffled between tents, hotels, dog kennels and god knows what, and as well as a perhaps equally irate resident population with strains on public services set to breaking point. Don't write cheques you can't cash.

on Matt coopers show he only has guests on who promote the idea that we are a wealthy country who can build all the houses we need as well as building for unlimited asylum seekers.

Not sure if there’s playback on today fm but on tonight’s discussion he Had Brendan Ogle ranting at length about what a generous nation we are and how we have plenty of money to build houses for everyone. The other lad from some ngo parroted Ogle and reminded us there are 100 million refugees currently in the world we have obligations to help.

Cooper tried to put some balance in by asking where we can house all these but then left the other two lads to waffle on. It was just a token attempt at balance to save have a guest on who doesn’t think a small country can take in unlimited refugees

It's never taken this long check it everyday, Pat spoke common sense today.