Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

maninasia · 11-01-2023 07:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120092796#Comment_120092796

https://www.buzz.ie/news/irish-news/ballymun-asylum-seekers-far-right-28915516

Numbers here.

whisky_galore · 11-01-2023 09:00AM

If the far right are on the rise it's because government policies gave them oxygen. People are frustrated with being sidelined, somethings got to give.

HBC08 · 11-01-2023 09:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120092362#Comment_120092362

Im not familiar with them,do tell,are they off the Northern or Southern Coast of Albania??

Annasopra · 11-01-2023 10:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120092627#Comment_120092627

Agressive and intimidating protests shouldnt be allowed outside where anyone lives.

Backstreet Moyes · 11-01-2023 10:14AM

It's dishonesty that is the main driver of people getting fed up of this.

You only have to look at this thread.

People who make points about us not being able to sustain this are called far right or racists.

I have yet to see anyone who is defending this make an argument for the benefit of this policy to Ireland.

All I see is people never cared about women before.

Irish people immigrated.

We have irish criminals already.

I mean I can see it played out.

Sorry mam that you were assaulted, we had to house illegal immigrants from countries with backwards views towards women and high sexual assault rates because we have sexual predators in ireland.

The party running these protests are far right clowns that got a few hundred votes in the last election, yet we are told the hundreds turning up in ballymun are all racists.

The fact is people with genuine concerns have nobody else willing to raise the issue.

It is going to get much worse.

The only reason I can think the government are doing this is to run the country into the ground before sinn fein get into government.

If sinn fein change there stance on this policy in the build up to the election they will win in a landslide and I expect they will.

This is not sustainable and I have seen a massive change in the opinion of people I know lately and this is only beginning.

We have people in sleeping bags in croke Park yet people are saying we don't have a housing crisis and let's keep inviting anyone who wants in to come in.

Ham_Sandwich · 11-01-2023 10:19AM

lock up these loolaas hassling people coming from poverty and war

Sadler Peak · 11-01-2023 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093075#Comment_120093075

And that's what will happen when hate speech laws are enacted.

That's why they want these laws.

whisky_galore · 11-01-2023 11:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093075#Comment_120093075

Create some jailed martyrs, that worked well before.

Backstreet Moyes · 11-01-2023 11:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093091#Comment_120093091

Well yea it's the same people who are not willing to have an honest discussion who want these laws.

They cannot back up there beliefs so they want to shut up people who disagree with them.

They are also the same people who hate Musk and Trump accusing them of shutting down free speech.

While they want to do the same thing.

I mean this thread is 96 pages and I have yet to see anyone put together a post explaining why this policy is of benefit to our country.

You cant keep allowing anyone who wants to come here into the country.

The thread title should remove the question mark because when you have people in sleeping bags in croke Park the question is answered.

Run Forest Run · 11-01-2023 11:20AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093260#Comment_120093260

Never underestimate the ability (and willingness) of ill-liberal liberals to deny reality. It's their bread and butter.

But unfortunately the other chaps on the right have the same tendencies... only a slightly different flavour of delusion.

The rest in middle are left tearing their hair out watching this silly back and forth dance that achieves next to nothing constructive.

maninasia · 11-01-2023 11:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093008#Comment_120093008

Overall I agree with that.

maninasia · 11-01-2023 11:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093075#Comment_120093075

How do you know that?

Also why is it our responsibility to look after poor people from overseas?

flexcon · 11-01-2023 11:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093290#Comment_120093290

It's tiring being in the middle

"We need a discussion on what limits we have for immigration, refugees and asylum seekers and what level of service we can honestly provide. but equally stop protesting outside where they are resident right now."

Both sides would slap you down instantly. This whole "all in" or "with us or against us" is ruining critical thinking.

It's hacking the very notion of honest discourse.

DebDynamite · 11-01-2023 11:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093320#Comment_120093320

Exactly. Look at a map of the world. Look at how Ireland is pretty much a tiny dot amongst all the other countries. Outside of Europe and the Anglo-sphere, there are so many countries which are so much poorer than us. Getting to live in a safe, prosperous, first world, English speaking country like Ireland, with its generous welfare must seem like winning the lottery to a great many people. However, we just can’t take all the people in the world who would like to live here. We just can’t, without it severely impacting on our standard of living here.

Obviously people genuinely fleeing war and persecution are a different issue.

Ham_Sandwich · 11-01-2023 11:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093320#Comment_120093320

we went abroad and got a awful time but we have no trouble doing the same to others?

11-01-2023 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120089852#Comment_120089852

Not quite true , the vigil was mainly attended by the victims friends, fellow countrymen, and colleagues which were huge in number

11-01-2023 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093320#Comment_120093320

At present we are signed up to look after them, so it is the eu’s responsibility and we are in the eu

TomTomTim · 11-01-2023 12:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093442#Comment_120093442

Name a nation that we went to that didn't have a need for workers back then? A nation we went to that was already overburdened that couldn't facilitate us, yet we went to it anyway? Name a nation that gave us free money, healthcare, and hotels to stay in? The vast majority of places where the Irish ended up were places that had a great need, as many of them were nations that were being built, instead of nations that were already built. People who use this argument honestly seem to think that we should commit cultural suicide because of what some Irish people did in the past.

HBC08 · 11-01-2023 12:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093442#Comment_120093442

If that's the extent of your understanding of what's happening now and your counter argument I suggest you step away from the keyboard.

whisky_galore · 11-01-2023 12:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093442#Comment_120093442

We are not America, we can take in some people but we can't save the world.

We can't be nursemaid to everyone.

We have limited resources and we can't magic these out of nothing. Like it or lump it.

Quantum Erasure · 11-01-2023 12:22PM

https://www.newstalk.com/news/housing-ukrainians-set-to-become-even-harder-1418420?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1673426058-1

Finding accommodation for Ukrainians is set to become even more difficult with many hotels likely to start catering to tourists again in the near future.

The issue is to be brought before the Cabinet today by the Minister for Integration and Children Roderic O'Gorman, who will press colleagues on the need to reduce reliance on private operators and build its own accommodation.

A couple months till tourist season starts. You know what, lads? We should start thinking about where we're going to put these people...

batman_oh · 11-01-2023 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093530#Comment_120093530

Sure we have loads of space apparently. There's millions of people in China in poverty living under a crazy regime, why aren't we pushing to have 40 million or so of those to fill all the space we have unused? We must save the world as we are so rich and enlightened I think.

And the Irish went to America once to work - so we need to take everybody from everywhere poor and with bad weather in whatever numbers we can to make up for that.

HBC08 · 11-01-2023 12:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093566#Comment_120093566

Lots of hotels that are set to go back to tourism this summer will not do so.There is nowhere to house the current crop nevermind the fact that there's more coming everyday.Hotels will be offered more money than current rate to house refugees to compensate them for their summer seasons.

We will have a situation where the government are paying out money to hobble the tourist industry.As I've mentioned a few times I work in the industry and amongst people I talk to this hasn't been officially communicated but there's no other option. Hoteliers won't care as they'll make their money without the hassle of actually running a busy tourist season.They haven't cared all along as this is a windfall for them.

The tourism reliant businesses (including my own) are fooked.I could handle one summer like summer 22 down 70% as happened but obviously thats not sustainable and we'll have to close later this year when our insurance runs out.

By the way,I supported and still do to an extent taking in Ukrainians.

The emergency Ukrainians situation is not the main problem going forward.The ones I talk to want to go home when this is over.Of course some will stay and of course the whole thing has been taken advantage of by a small number of chancers and opportunists but their numbers will be dwarfed by international protection number over the next 5-10 years.

We have a very,very real danger here but we're not allowed talk about it nevermind actually address it.

These are scary times.

Furze99 · 11-01-2023 12:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093442#Comment_120093442

And many Irish people stayed at home, also lived blighted lives but paid their taxes here, worked here and spent their money here and built up the country.

No reason why economic migrants from other states shouldn't be sent back to do just the same for their own countries of birth.

Backstreet Moyes · 11-01-2023 12:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093566#Comment_120093566

So he admits we are going to struggle to house Ukrainians.

While at the same time is creating videos in foreign languages inviting everyone to come here and be housed within four months.

I mean is this the intelligence of the people who are running this country.

How exactly is nobody in the media calling him out.

whisky_galore · 11-01-2023 12:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093694#Comment_120093694

Because the media are all in the same pc bandwagon, these things are rarely discussed or questioned, because you'll turn into a big racist.

Furze99 · 11-01-2023 01:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120093694#Comment_120093694

I think we all need to write to our local TDs and tell them exactly what we think. There seems to be a great divergence between the direction the government and unelected bodies are taking us and the opinions of the public.

10000maniacs · 11-01-2023 01:04PM

I would say the vast majority of the protesters are not racist. Just pragmatic people who did maths at school. 1000 people into 0 houses doesn't go. Or something like that.

We need pragmatic people who can do sums in both government and the Immigration department.

Too many people making mental decisions in government and Immigration.

I think the vast majority of people protesting are thinking that the Irish and Ukrainian's should be prioritized.

Before you say anything, the Ukrainians are actually fleeing war. This is verifiable. No bull$hit there. We have to help them.

No houses = no immigration. Accommodate the Irish and Ukrainians with whatever is left.

And then say no to everybody else unless they have the finances to build their own house.

Backstreet Moyes · 11-01-2023 01:16PM

I am just glad I am not a small business owner who relies on tourism.

If the government continue to block book hotels then many many small businesses will be closing down.

It must be terrifying.

marno21 · 11-01-2023 01:32PM

2 clear issues here coming from what's being said in Killarney. Nothing about race/country of origin/age/gender etc.

No communication from Government, especially with local representatives who are getting the brunt of this. Hundreds of guests arriving in the town and put in a hotel in a town with already strained services with no communication.
No plan for the future. No plan on where they will go when the hotels revert to their actual function. No plan for school places, for GP spaces, for transport, for giving them space, just being put into hotels indefinitely as if that's a solution.

Roderic O'Gorman refuses to do an interview with Radio Kerry to discuss these issues. He has plenty of time to talk to the Irish Examiner about climate refugees however. The only people getting taken to task at the local councillors who have absolutely no say in the matter and are as clued in to what's going on due to Government malpractice as Jim or Mary walking down the Park Road.

Minister O'Gorman is completely out of his depth on a scale almost impossible to comprehend. He has his own great ideas about immigration but actually no policies to back them up and what's worse is he seems to be ignoring the actual practicalities of what he's trying to do and in doing so consistently making the issue worse. Promising own door accommodation to refugees while the country already has a shortfall of houses, this shortfall which is accelerating year on year due to the State's inability to deliver the required housing policy to meet the needs of the people already in the country, let alone before adding more people the ever growing cohort of those unable to get a house. It smacks of complete incompetence but the fact that he seems to be unchecked in continuing to pursue this policy despite the State's complete inability to deliver on it is worse.

Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

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