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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Pride flag hellfire's from the supposed decedent week west. They would loss it. Call it operation Caitlyn A strong right leaning Transwoman. I could hear the shrieks on that comedy show about nuking us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    The problem with your synopsis is that it assumes Russia can't keep up throwing bodies at battles when it evidently can. Whether they want to or not, countless Russians will be ferried to the front lines. Given a task and some PCP and away they go. Putin will gladly see 2 million Russians die in Ukraine so long as he gets some sort of result.

    It also assumes that the west will actually do what they need to do and give Ukraine some serious modern weaponry. IFVs won't cut it in soledar and bakhmut. 100s of suicide drones would have ended this battle long since but for some reason they're rationed.

    I've always been very upbeat about Ukraines prospects in this war but the last 2 weeks has shown some worrying signs of life on the Russian side. It needs to be snuffed out immediately and the US and EU hold the power to do that in their hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    We are yet to hear about mass losing of orcs due to the cold. Command will have lost contact with a far amount of troops. Ukraine will have to find them where they died to verify losses. I wager there is bad news coming down the line on that end. Even if they have weapons they cant fight the cold too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Suicide drones vs IFVs who can operate and fight 24/7 vs fairly light weight drone that can only Operate in ideal conditions,

    They have hundreds of various attack drones already but they don't seem to be using them in soldar ,for whatever reason technical or other wise,

    They need IFVs ,tanks and aircraft along with suicide drones operating together, suicide drones won't stop thousands of Russians being sent to the grinder in soldar and bakhmut,

    I reckon they made a miscalculation not pushing the advantage when they forced the Russians to retreat from Kherson,they should have gone straight though them, instead they stopped and consolidated positions and built defenses mean while the Russian brought free reinforcements by the tens of thousand and continue to build up another large force in Belarus.

    This could get dangerous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,737 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    If the Russians have so many troops in Soledar, then it's a great time to take em out, it's a bullseye target.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Its not so much the location ( but that's important too. Having said that, militarily I'm sure that there's far more valuable targets) But after a long series of heavy defeats, Putin ( or his military) badly needs to show a victory, and that's why they are now and will continue to feed thousands into the meat grinder that is the Ukrainian military in Bakhmut and Soledar, Modern Stalingrads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


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    This seem to explain it, Warner moved everything to soledar Ukraine took its eye off the ball it was probably done during the so called ceasefire.

    Hope they can adjust there forces however stretched they maybe

    The west "might give" v I suspect China/NK is giving artillery support to Russia needs to be matched and fast I don't think the west is doing enough arm Ukraine to the teeth.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Actually, I believe that this is good. Ukraine have had a pretty good run ar things so far and, with any large scale operation, the eye can leave the ball.

    This is a very much needed wakeup-call to both the West and Ukraine. It's just a battle in one huge war in a massive country. But its a symbolic win for Russia.

    Now, I figure we shall see some very focused minds from leaders in the West with the associated increase in military aid.

    Remember, the gloves haven't remotely come off NATO's hands with respect to aid. It's a delicate balancing act, but NATO needs Russia to lose, and lose badly. Is it to whatever cost? In the short term, I would say yes, the cost being the relative destruction of Ukraines cities and infrastructure within the battle zone. But, what comes after the war, the rebuilding of Ukraine and the development of a standing army similar to Turkey, will be watched by Russia with great fear and all involved will ask themselves, "was it worth it?"

    According to the R&D departments in Lockheed, General Dynamics, Boeing, etc...absolutely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭greenpilot




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    A couple of European countries need to wake up.

    Ukraine would be gone already if it weren't for the US, Poland, UK and the Baltic's some who are next on the list.

    We will see luco die and Belarus annexed sooner or later



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Putin now knows his ace.


    Just lob canon fodder and he will get results.


    Very disheartening, Ukraine took huge losses in this battle also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Field east


    There was a time when Russia never reported airline crashes in Russia- involving Aeroflot planes especially- because it was seen as negative re Russian engineering , a perception of weakness, etc. weakness in not a word in rather Russian vocabulary. . “ Our airlines are safer than those in the west” !!!!!!!!!! . I expect that it was relatively easy in ‘the good old days’ to keep things quiet before the whole ICT sector took ff - think mobile phone , etc.

    It was probably the same with internal wars, internal special missions, internal conflicts, internal uprisings, internal etc,etc, etc, etc.. that probably explains ALL THOSE MEDALS !!!!!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,366 ✭✭✭Field east


    If they were real medals , then he should be much more bent over from the weight. Typical Russian strategy re fakeness again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Think you're getting carried away there - 2 million Russian losses acceptable to domestic Russia. No way. This despite the controlled narrative in their society is 2023 with modern communications. We've already seen local protests at mobilisation and these likely just the tip of the iceberg of muttering and discontent. As this continues, there will be a breaking point for ordinary Russian society when the citizens will have had enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Bakhmut and Soledar are not tactically inconsequential. This line has been trotted out here a lot with nothing to back it up.

    Bakhmut-Soledar-Seversk is a natural line of defence in the Donbass which is very difficult to pass, as it lies along a river and a narrow valley. Seversk is impassable due to it lying on a height and the positions east of it are low lands, meaning any attacking force would be obliterated.

    Soledar lies in a little valley of its own, and was heavily fortified

    And bakhmut again was heavily fortified. There were and still are very little opportunity to attack other than 3 these main axes, of which Wagner appear to be attacking via 2 of them.

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    The markers on the map show the course of the Bakhmutka river.

    To the north, the seversky donets. As good as impassable.

    To the south, the 2014, heavily reinforced, mined, no mans land at Toretsk.

    This defensive line is a very important one, and if it falls, the next stop is Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Kostantinovka



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Sad to see many here sh1ting their pants while the Ukrainians remain very calm and measured! None of the orc propaganda can be believed. Ukraine will still win this.

    I can see them bring up some HIMARS and having an extra crispy orc BBQ. Very easy then to take back the city after the orc hordes are vaporized.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    This is clearly staged and fake.

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    The orcs know what they are doing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Absolutely overstated , impassable, heavily reinforced ,,mines .

    The same was said about karkhiv and Kherson but yet derussified fairly quickly,

    As for the bakhmutka river in a lot of places it's barely ankle deep and fairly narrow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    lol, do you dispute the heavy mining of the 2014 donbass border? It is the most heavily reinforced part of the current frontline too

    Who said that kharkiv and kherson were natural defence barriers for the Russians? Kherson in particular was the exact opposite, the Russian bridgehead only had 2 supply routes based on bridges. Kharkiv had no defensive terrain favouring the Russians either.

    Honestly it seems you would tie yourself in knots just to try and disagree with me 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    You can't use tanks and IFVs in close contact open ground fighting. It would be a field day for anyone with an rpg. You'd get to take out an expensive piece of equipment plus 6 or 7 troops in one shot. They need to be pummelled from safe distance and then have the front line troops tidy up the remnants.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    And yet they were successfully used in Iraq and Afghanistan in Open grounds and close quarters urban fighting,

    They have the ability to engage from range in pretty much all weathers day and night too, they wouldn't have to get in rpg range and if you think you can take on a Bradley or battle tanks and not be seen from several hundred yards away,

    You would be lucky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Lol you really rate yourself..

    Copy and paste from Twitter 😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    They've thrown half a million at this already, looking to add another half a million with very little blow back. It's quite conceivable that they'll throw the same again without encountering major resistance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    if you reckon its a copy & paste from twitter why not point out where it came from?

    or better yet, why not actually refute what I said with actual facts of your own?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    You are defending the indefensible. orcs have been trying to attack Ukrainian positions for half a year without success. Why do you think that is? It's because they have ran out trained men and the weapons to fight with. Throwing thousands of men on human wave attacks like the orcs are doing is a sign that it's all over for them. After they burn through the convicts there will be nothing left to fight with and Ukraine will go on the offensive and end this very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    what and where am I defending?

    After they burn through the convicts there will be nothing left to fight with and Ukraine will go on the offensive and end this very quickly.

    And when will this happen? Before or after the invasion from Belarus?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    This war is all over but people don't realise it yet. It's Germany 1918 or Germany 1945. The orc economy is totally fcuked. They make no money selling $30 oil and sanctions means they can't rebuild all the tanks, planes and artillery that they've lost. The Soledar attack which has cost them 10k+ dead convicts is the last sting of a dying wasp. There's literally nothing after this. Most of their tanks are blown up, 1/3 of the air force is destroyed, they have no ammo, all their missiles are gone, the professional army is mostly dead.

    Ukraine gets stronger and stronger every day. I can easily see an orc collapse in the next few weeks. The same collapse that the pro orc fans on here said would never happen at Kherson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭threeball


    In Afghanistan they were supported by a totally unopposed air support from fighter jets to black hawks. Here they have neither so you're just driving a large target at the enemy lines. They're ideal in a blitz scenario where you're attacking a position at speed but here you're engaging heavy fortified positions with thousands of troops and plenty of anti tank munitions. Comparing Afghanistan to Ukraine is pointless. One was a guerilla war, hit and quit. This is a traditional force vs force war with both sides bringing huge resources both human and equipment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    orc defensive lines.

    It's all an illusion that was busted twice already. Ukraine have a modern highly trained maneuvering army. They don't need orc tactics of sending human wave attacks at the enemy cities. They will go around the orcs or use their superior artillery and HIMARS to blast a hole in the enemy position and collapse the line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,297 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I wouldn't like to be a tank manufacturer after this war- I'd be diversifying into drones pronto!



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