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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    How about referencing and quoting one of these illegible posts and I'll see if I can explain it more slowly for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Speaking of Soledar, here is a great translated situation report:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog


    To lighten the mood slightly,drone sugar drop!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    This fight that's been won by Warner group against Ukraine is Europe's folly and should not have been allowed

    Shame on its gutless leaders

    Putin has won this one and won't stop will Ukraine have much fight left in them now there country is destroyed and people broken

    They will be cannon fodder at the polish border next.

    Democracy can't beat autocracy so what's the plan now?

    The promise of new weapons is to late now IMHO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    On that at least they found a cheap and cheerful solution to the orc kamikaze drones ,camo netting

    I caught myself more than once almost posting a orc strike on a Ukrainan position,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Evgeny Prigozhin sends greetings from Soledar with the following message


    “The divisions of PMC Wagner took control of the entire territory of Soledar. A cauldron has been formed in the center of the city, in which urban battles are being fought.


    The number of prisoners will be announced tomorrow.


    Once again, I want to emphasize that no units except for the fighters of the Wagner PMC took part in the assault on Soledar.

    That's Prigozhin in the middle of the photo in what appears to be one of the salt mines. There's no way of verifying that photo is what it claims to be.

    With that said he hasn't been one to prematurely declare a town taken.

    I guess we will find out tomorrow. I don't believe that Ukraine allowed themselves to be encircled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,842 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    How significant is this in the grand scheme of things. Some momentum for the Russians or just a back and forth thing on the front lines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,066 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I'd say Ukraine wouldn't half mind. Lot of open country between them and the border.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    DefMon says the photo is a lie.

    But there are other photos of him, and this one does look like it's in the salt mine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Imagine Russia not telling lies ..


    Hey 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s bad for Russia. They have lost too many men and equipment in the assault. We have been here before, a small Russian win followed by a catastrophic defeat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Political scientist Sergei Markov in his telegram channel in a separate post urged me to restraint and stop "criticism of the supreme commander." Expressing, at the same time, the hope that my "talents will be used not only as a theoretician."


    Sergei Alexandrovich is far from the first who (publicly and privately) draws my attention to the fact that Putin V.V. should not, in conditions of war, share responsibility for the events taking place with his (he appointed) subordinates. And, accordingly, they should not be criticized for their countless military and economic failures either.


    However, I have valid objections:

    - 300 billion dollars of Russian reserves after the start of the NWO were arrested abroad. The head of the Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, who was responsible for the placement, remains in her place to this day (in China, for example, she would have already been shot);


    - heads and responsible persons of intelligence agencies (political and military) of the Russian Federation, who provided the country's leadership with deliberately false information about the operational situation and the mood of the army / population of the so-called. "Ukraine", on the basis of which the initially failed (due to the falsity of the indicated data) Special Military Operation was planned - everyone is still in their places, they have not suffered the slightest punishment and continue their successful career;


    - the leadership of the RF Armed Forces, which carried out a number of military operations extremely unsuccessfully and allowed heavy defeats that had no "fatal" reasons in their basis, continues to lead the operation;


    - the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry, which failed to provide the Armed Forces with a number of types of modern weapons (including those at the disposal of the enemy) and for many years engaged in simulation of combat training of troops instead of real ones - in their places and "does not blow in the mustache";


    - the leaders of the military industry, who deceived the president and society with fairy tales about "transition to import substitution", and now are unable to ensure the production of the most necessary types of weapons and equipment - everyone is in their places and flourishing.


    - advisers and representatives of the "inner circle", hindering the most necessary and "long overripe" mobilization measures in the rear and industry, capable of straightening out the situation on the fronts in the future and ensuring victory. - have not changed for the last fifteen years.


    They are all appointed by the president - all these blatantly incompetent, thieving, hedonistic officials with business interests, relatives and property abroad.

    And if - despite the visual catastrophes (which are impossible to hide from the educated part of society) and criticism directed at THEM - their replacement (not to mention punishment!) Is not made "from the word at all" - then who else to make claims on the doorstep defeat in WAR?


    Answer this question - indicate in our country - who else is to blame for the implementation (and stubborn maintenance contrary to common sense) of the existing personnel policy, which lies at the root of all strategically failed decisions?


    I am categorically against both violent and "peaceful" (for example - according to the scheme of Borka the drunk - "I'm tired, I'm a fly-cat") change of the president and commander-in-chief during the war. Since this will cause new additional problems, and in the first case ("overthrow"), it will immediately lead to a military (and soon civil) catastrophe. But the trouble is that if the president's personnel policy remains unchanged, then a military defeat, alas, awaits us in any case.


    And, by the way, if Mr. Markov is not "waited" either in Kyiv or in The Hague (in the event of our defeat, he is unlikely to be of interest even to liberals who have come to power), then they dream of seeing me there. Of course, less than President Vladimir Putin, but certainly.

    Igor Girkin is in full on misery mode over the last few weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Let hope ur right but this was the best defended area in Ukraine now donbass is wide open.

    Weapons coming takes time Russia knows so they will crack on.

    The west was tardy and scared with all its resources its held back to much

    Ukraine will need boots on the ground



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd rather a handful of Archers than none, I don't get the negativity about it. Almost let loose an Oddball clip. All this stuff is necessary, and more. I am hoping (always a bad plan) that Ukr is massing ammunition and kit for an offensive when the time is correct. While Soledar is looking dodgy, they have already proven they can conduct orderly withdrawals while inflicting high casualties on the orcs, it's still a large country. I'd disagree with recent comments in the press, time is on Ukr's side as long as Western support holds or increases I still see them liberating their country to 1991 borders. The Western delay is, as ever, as frustrating as it is stupid but I'm sure there are reasons (I won't claim they're good, just the nations have interests, not friends).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    "Unpacking" the tactics of the Wagnerites north of Soledar through the eyes of a very competent Ukrainian officer, one of the participants in the defense.


    Details of tactics:


    🔺At first, the first group, usually of 8 people, is put forward to the finish line. The whole group is maximally loaded with BC, each has a "Bumblebee" flamethrower. Their task is to get to the point and get a foothold. They are almost suicidal. Their BC in case of failure is intended for the following groups.


    🔺The group gets as close as possible to the Ukrainians and digs in as quickly as possible. A white cloth or other sign is left on the tree so that the next group can navigate in the event of the death of their predecessors and find where shelters have already been dug and where there are weapons from BC.


    🔺During the fire contact, the "Wagners" detect Ukrainian fire positions and transfer them to their artillery. As a rule, 120-mm and 82-mm mortars work in them. Up to 10 mortars simultaneously begin to suppress the discovered Ukrainian position. Artillery training can last several hours in a row.


    🔺During this time, 500 meters from the first group, the second group concentrates. She has lighter equipment. And under the cover of artillery, this group begins an assault on the Ukrainian position. If the second group fails to take a position, it is followed by the third and even the fourth. That is, four waves of eight people for one Ukrainian position.


    🔺One of the groups has a UAV operator. He coordinates artillery fire directly from the battlefield.


    🔺If they manage to suppress the Ukrainian position, they "clear" it, using a drone, grenades, small arms.


    How to fight effectively:


    🔷Have light "armor" at a distance of short jumps. As soon as the drone operators notice the movement of the occupiers towards the positions, they inform the "armor". But quickly suppresses the attack of the "Wagnerians" even with machine guns. If there is no "armor", then it is difficult to restrain such assault actions.


    🔷Fighters must be prepared for shooting battles at a short distance.


    🔷The main reason for the success of the Russians and the defeat of the Ukrainians in such small assault operations may be the lack of counter-battery combat. Artillery begins to shell the attackers instead of suppressing the enemy's artillery. Without the cover of the same mortars, the assaults of the "Wagnerians" simply suffocate.


    🔷And for effective counter-battery combat, a larger number of drones and their operators are needed in positions.


    I hope these tips will be useful for our fighters.


    I repeat, the conclusions are not mine, but those of one of the officers who is now holding the defense in Soledar. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that our guys hold an important city.

    This is apparently how Wagner have achieved their breakthrough at Soledar.

    The casualties they are sustaining must be immense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,458 ✭✭✭zv2


    Even so, Ukr. seem to be using them more frequently as well.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,080 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    FT has some interesting thoughts on the China/Russia relationship.

    The starting point for Xi’s diplomatic reset is a re-evaluation in Beijing about the benefits of its close relationship with Moscow. China now perceives a likelihood that Russia will fail to prevail against Ukraine and emerge from the conflict a “minor power”, much diminished economically and diplomatically on the world stage, according to Chinese officials. In addition, for all the public professions of bilateral amity, in private some Chinese officials express at least a measure of mistrust towards Putin himself.

    Scholz has already been in China making a conciliatory gesture, apparently Macron will follow. Getting China out of the Russia orbit makes sense for both parties in the long term.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Why is this such a big victory for Russia?


    Does it make the rest of the country vulnerable?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Remember the rest of the country has had its infrastructure pummelled for the last 3 months its probably difficult moving anything armour or soldiers

    I going with the west has fecked up here!

    The Russians are getting fed weapons from others NK via China quicker and unannounced

    I hope I am wrong.....



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Democracy beat autocracy when Putin's corruption riddled forces were incapable of conquering Ukraine in the first place.

    We heard similar things after the fall of Lychansk. Soon to be followed by the massive Northwestern advance by Ukrainian forces.

    At the Polish border 🙄 it takes Russians several months and thousands of dead before they can advance 10km.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Roads and railways are intact along with air Fields . with some exceptions involving bridges but they have work arounds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭macraignil


    No intention on my part to insinuate anything critical of the armed forces of Ukraine or insult them in any way. I also never used the term experts when mentioning those who are deciding on what gets sent to Ukraine. I was just trying to make the point that I think there is information on the decisions of what is being sent to Ukraine that is not freely available particularly to people who are just relying on social media for their information on the topic. To my limited view on what is happening in the war there could be russian weapons that could be quite effective against a fighter aircraft that needs to be based in a specifically equipped airfield. The russians have been preparing for a war against NATO for decades so to think they have not prepared anything to combat the air superiority that NATO forces would try to achieve is a bit naive in my opinion. The footage I have seen of Ukrainian helicopters seems to frequently show them at dramatically low altitudes which I imagine is a deliberate attempt to keep them under the sights of radar that the russians could use to target them for anti aircraft missiles. Maybe you're right that F16s would be the key weapon to help remove the russians from Ukraine but its my guess that something less flashy like highly accurate artilary in conjunction with massive numbers of drones to help with targeting might be a more effective form of assistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 837 ✭✭✭junkyarddog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    I really hope that Russian gains in Soledar / Bakhmut are actually "tactical yields" by Ukraine, designed to keep the Russians interested in that area.

    Lots of UK & US chat show guests (mostly ex military, high rank) now making a case for heavier tanks - this may be intended to get the voting citizens on board with such a development. In other words, it's already a done deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Just a bit of perspective. This is currently THE BEST that Russia is capable of. They are literally throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Bahkmut and Soledar (2 small, tactically inconsequential towns) and still haven't taken them yet. And they're paying in 100s of lives a day for it. Even if the Ukrainians decide to retreat this is pretty much the height of Russian ability. They have absolutely no fuckin hope of taking Slovyansk or Kramatorsk.

    Sure remember 8 months ago when they had twice the artillery ratio they do now? Slow creeping gains on all fronts and there was still little worry of Russia sweeping across the country. I'd wager good money that before they even reach Slovyansks doorstep that the Bradleys, Leopards/Challenger 2's and GLSDBs(150km rockets) will have come to play. And that's if Ukraine leaves Soledar or Bahkmut.

    Every step Russia takes into Ukraine increases the level of gear Ukraine receive. The frog is literally boiling itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Kill wound capture the best russian troops seems the game keep them in a meat grinder letting small gains happen then put the nose on. There will be no mass capture or killing of Ukrainian troops their to smart. Azov for example fought to the lest men and ran out of hardware only reason they were captured. I Can't see wagner doing this for the long run. Once the free killing and general unholy acts are dried up they are done. They are mercenaries/PMC after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    @Virgil this is just one man on a personal mission to gain notoriety for his mercanaries and expanding his contracts and political clout at home and from Syria, Libya, Africa and now ukraine Yevgeny Prigozhin this is all him bakhmut and soledar it's his force by all accounts doing the fighting backed up by some Russian military..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I think the key weapon the US should supply Ukraine with is drones like Reaper, Predator and Gray Eagle. If supplied, the latter should be renamed for the utterly delicious prospect of Orc media having to announce it's significant losses as being due to 'Gay' Eagles.

    As mentioned, I basically take the position that no one is more expert on Ukraine's needs than Ukrainians, and that they are very serious about their needs when they state them.



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