Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

1486487489491492943

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Why shouldn't they? I don't agree with the renting out the room part but surely if someone wants to buy a house and that happens to be a 3 bed etc, that is their choice regardless of if there is to be a family in there or not? A home (with however many bedrooms) shouldn't have to be bough by a couple with the intent of raising a family. Why the hell would that matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Ten years ago, when Occupy Wall Street first became popular in 2012, socialism was aimed against "the 1%". IOW wealth inequality was seen as between ordinary people and the ultra-wealthy.

    Now it seems to be increasingly directed at people who are slightly above the median: small landlords and people who inherited money from parents (often split between multiple people).

    Many people see generational wealth as 'well deserved' because they view families as an organic continuous unit, rather than people randomly linked by birth. So that family has earned money through sweat and hard work over two generations.

    Whereas welfare - unlike inheritance or alms-giving - is money taken off people through taxation and re-distributed impersonally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,926 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What a load of rubbish, that is a 50k-1 senario. Its more likely that one of the couple's saved harder and choose to cut there cloth to what suited.

    The other couple made different choices

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    The more left Ireland goes the more likely inheritance gets targeted. The big issue with the inequality becoming entrenched comes from the staggering rise in house prices the last thirty years; nothing special happened to the houses in that time do it was largely luck which lead to a lot of people becoming wealthy from their house appreciating in value. This unearned wealth is exactly what should be targeted by the State.

    The ideal property market only increases or reduces in cost, in line with mortgage rates, so a couple percent change in a ten year period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    But thats utter nonsense. I’ll inherit more money they any professional could earn in 5 lifetimes. Literally because my great grandad had a farm which got passed down and then zoned for housing (I’m not joking).

    I mean I could claim my ‘organic continuous family unit’ led to my great success and wealth to which I was an integral part. Or I could acknowledge that I contributed as much as any Joe Soap on the street and my inheritance is a pure freak accident of birth.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Btw I'm not against welfare I just understand why other people don't like it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭SwimClub



    Ultimately evolution wants to give successful genes a head start so inheritance is actually quite a natural process.

    (runs out of the room ducking) 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    They shouldn't buy it if they can't afford it themselves and the main point I made was that ensuring that a single person has access to a three bedroom home in South Dublin is not the barometer we need to class the market as healthy. A couple with or without a child, on average salaries, should be able to access the borrowing that would enable them to buy a 3 bed home in a better functioning market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭jimmybobbyschweiz


    So is survival of the fittest so it is more natural to let people who can't pay their mortgage or afford their rent to just get on with it and live on the streets, force them to survive instead of having a nanny state swoop in and underwrite their housing costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Not that I agree, but could potentially get on board except the vast vast majority of Irish wealth of the last 50/100 years was generated through purely accidental land holdings which then got zoned at the right time. Completely out of their control/influence.

    Not like we had a generation of revolutionaries changing lives and building massive companies. Nope, often barely literate people with a bit of land in right area at the right time.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There's a strong element of luck if you're inheriting that much.

    That doesn't make it 'random' though. You had forebears that managed to become landowners (that part may not have been easy, I don't know) and managed to pass on their genes. Result: you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭SwimClub




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭Villa05


    You are both looking at one of the symptoms of the problem rather than the actual problem of unaffordable housing.

    How many parents got caught in 2008 by either helping there children or going gaurentor on the mortgage

    Parents helping children is a response to a bubble that further fuels the bubble

    Put in a robust land value tax that extracts 4billion a year from the property market rather than the state pumping in 4 billion a year further raising prices. Use the 4 billion to build affordable rentals creating further income for the state and increasing supply

    Land value tax will cool future bubbles creating a sustainable property market



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭FedoraTheAura


    ‘’Many people see generational wealth as 'well deserved' because they view families as an organic continuous unit, rather than people randomly linked by birth. So that family has earned money through sweat and hard work over two generations.’’


    These people you’re talking about would be wrong then as they believe there are two generations doing ‘hard work’ but the second generation doesn’t haven’t to work hard or sweat at all to receive the wealth. That’s the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 491 ✭✭SwimClub


    "doesn’t haven’t to work hard or sweat at all to receive the wealth"


    Take the British monarchy, Andrew is so many generations in he's even lost the ability to sweat.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭Villa05


    This is a big part of the problem, people claim that intergenerational wealth is an issue and completely overlook this scandal.

    These homes should be state assets released to the affordable rental market generating income for the state that could be reinvested in building more. This way they are a help to multiple families rather than a gift to 1 family in a lottery.

    Taxpayer funded/subsidised projects should not be a gift to 1 person/family. From my experience, in the past desirable council houses had a habit of going to persons engaged in political canvassing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Highlights the repossesion situation here perfectly, defaults and still keeps the gaff.


    Fine Gael minister of state Damien English has not declared his ownership of a residential property for more than a decade.


    The Meath West TD defaulted on mortgage repayments for the house and four years ago the loan was transferred to a vulture fund. English however managed to maintain his ownership of the property.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    He should resign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭drogon.


    Nah should become the next housing minister 👀



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    Great work again on the ditch



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What a complete idiot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Do we have to pay his gold plated pension if he resigns? Our td's have all angles well covered for themselves.

    How a TD can get a write off of debt on a 200k mortgage when they have annual income of at least half the loan

    This was not his ppr and should have been repossessed if he was unwilling to fulfill his contractual obligations.

    Like so many, not fit for office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭quokula


    There's something ironic about the fact the people who attack him hardest for this will be the ones that historically most heavily oppose the concept of people being evicted for not paying their mortgage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,669 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I don't see how the number of family members should be a factor in a normal functional market. Using your rationale, a family with 5 kids should be able to afford a 5 bedroom house as well, but it doesn't work like that at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭drogon.


    you reckon they are the same cohort that has a second house they aren’t paying their mortgage on ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,248 ✭✭✭JohnnyChimpo


    that's only ironic if you think "ah yes these two completely different things are the same"


    I doubt there's a single person in Ireland who opposes people being made homeless that would also object to this guy being hammered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,046 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals



    Apartments really are only viable with huge state interventation whether that be HAP or actually paying to build them directly.


    Government examining advance purchasing of apartments


    The Government will consider buying large numbers of apartments prior to their construction in a bid to get tens of thousands more homes built.


    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said "advance purchasing" will be examined as Government wants to see the building of 70,000 apartments, which have already received planning permission in towns and cities.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 940 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    Am I understanding the above correctly- that there's been a drop in the amount of mortgage drawdowns?


    I'm slightly confused by the wording of the tweet



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Repayments have increased due to mortgage rate hikes and lack of supply means not many are able to buy. Could also mean that a significant number of sales were to cash buyers like institutional investors.

    He seems to post stuff on Twitter without much explanation of analysis so I’m sure others on here will be able to give you a hopefully unbiased explanation of his data.



Advertisement
Advertisement