F.A. Cup 2023 Thread

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 12:15AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080383#Comment_120080383

It was a bit of a mess because there was no angle for VAR which still seems a bit bizarre. Surely there would be a clip what would at least how close a decision it actually was even if it couldn't be definitive.

Fitz* · 08-01-2023 12:16AM

It's not even the first time that this happened this season. The incident for the offside Wolves goal.

The linesman flagged for offside when the corner taker was passed the ball. So that's the decision. VAR is used to back up/overturn that decision. As there was no camera angle to conclusively overturn the decision and prove the linesman was incorrect, his initial decision stood. If there was no VAR, the goal would still have been ruled out.

The exact same situation as the first goal in the Arsenal-Liverpool game this season where Saka may have been offside in the build up but they had no camera angle to show both the 'offside' and the ball at the point of contact at the same time. The linesman on the pitch had said he was onside, so the goal was awarded.

There was a similar incident a few years ago too with Pogba scoring for Man United after the ball had gone out over the sideline but no camera angle to show it at the time. The original decision of the goal being awarded stood.

thebaz · 08-01-2023 12:29AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080054#Comment_120080054

Agree , Wolves were robbed. but no surprise

Xander10 · 08-01-2023 01:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080399#Comment_120080399

https://twitter.com/LKGN84/status/1611848814582988800/mediaviewer

Clear clip to show onside

08-01-2023 02:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080612#Comment_120080612

I seen one from the other side of a fan cam that is even more obvious.

Not very clear at all just because the linesman flag.

I'm actually beginning to wonder who the linesman flagged for because it it was for totti it could have been checked I hope they at least they got that much right

~Rebel~ · 08-01-2023 02:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080612#Comment_120080612

Not a great clip... he's pausing it at the first moment you can see Nunes head in frame, but the ball has already been played at that stage and is up in the air from a fair few frames before. There's two pieces of movement that make it awkward - as well as Nunes moving towards onside totally unseen in those frames, Trent on the back post is moving the other direction. So the line is higher than it appears in this clip.

So this particular clip doesn't really tell us much either way, beyond that it was close.

They should really have dedicated VAR cameras looking straight across the goal line that takes in the whole area, but the lack of those means you can't do anything beyond go with the line-o's call.

If I was a Wolves fan I'd be more annoyed about the Mo goal - that's a stupid one, the defenders touch on the ball is obviously entirely motivated by Mo's presence behind him. Surely that's Mo interfering with play just by his very existence as a goal threat.

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 02:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080612#Comment_120080612

That clip is as clear as mud fella, seriously 'straight' lines too -- kinda looks like the VAR room the first time they tried drawing the lines.

I'm surprised a clip or even a photo from the otherside that was in some way level with him when the ball is actually played hasn't surfaced yet.

Augme · 08-01-2023 11:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080612#Comment_120080612

There's nothing more clear cut than freeze framing an offside decision after the person has played the ball.

fyfe79 · 08-01-2023 01:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081069#Comment_120081069

I remember someone a couple of years ago posting a zoomed-in freeze-frame of a player standing in an offside position relative to the defender, and saying "see, he's clearly in an offside position". The freeze-frame didn't have the passer of the ball, or the ball itself, in the picture! I suspected that if you zoomed-out for the entire picture, you'd see the ball in mid-air, long after it's left the passers boot.

mayordenis · 08-01-2023 02:31PM

https://twitter.com/nunoarmy/status/1611861907207585792?s=46&t=-P9VYZHzIjO68Em_STfiwQ

So you can do the freeze frames here yourself, the only possible reason Nunez could be ONSIDE is if your interpretation of a change of phase of play is any touch at all. The first header after the corner nunez is offside, after the flick on he would be onside only if you count that as a change in the phase of play. It's clear enough that to me that this is offside.

Hammer Archer · 08-01-2023 03:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081665#Comment_120081665

If I'm not mistaken, of course the second flick on is a new phase. If a forward is in an offside position from a keeper playing a long ball forward but is then onside from a flick on, the linesman isn't going to flag the player due to him being offside from the initial ball forward from the 'keeper. Nunes wasn't interfering in play when the initial cross is headed out and isn't offside when the ball is then headed by Hwang.

mayordenis · 08-01-2023 04:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081992#Comment_120081992

Look I might be wrong, but the interpretation of the rule has never been that every single touch is a new phase of play. I don't remember ever hearing an exact definition but it has imo not been that every touch resets offside.

razorblunt · 08-01-2023 04:06PM

I would have thought that Cardiff (and Sheff Wed yesterday) would have had much better crowds.

Though they just said Cardiff haven't had a 20k+ crowd this season.

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 04:41PM

Great save !! By the defender first, clear Red card, and then the keeper keeps Cardiff ahead, 2-1 with 10 to go.

martingriff · 08-01-2023 04:56PM

In fairness that second goal is deserved given they would have had one from the handball. That is the only arisen when a penalty kick is given I think a goal should be automatically given

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 04:57PM

Injury time goal gives Leeds another chance, they really looked to be going out.

citytillidie · 08-01-2023 05:53PM

3rd Round Results

Manchester United 3 V 1 Everton

Crystal Palace 1 V 2 Southampton

Forest Green Rovers V Birmingham City - Postponed

Gillingham 0 V 1 Leicester City

Preston North End 3 V 1 Huddersfield Town

Reading 2 V 0 Watford

Tottenham Hotspur 1 V 0 Portsmouth

AFC Bournemouth 2 V 4 Burnley

Blackpool 4 V 1 Nottingham Forest

Boreham Wood 1 V 1 Accrington Stanley

Chesterfield 3 V 3 West Bromwich Albion

Fleetwood Town 2 V 1 Queens Park Rangers

Hull City 0 V 2 Fulham Athletic

Ipswich Town 4 V 1 Rotherham United

Middlesbrough 1 V 5 Brighton & Hove Albion

Millwall 0 V 2 Sheffield United

Shrewsbury Town 1 V 2 Sunderland

Brentford 0 V 1 West Ham United

Coventry City 3 V 4 Wrexham

Grimsby Town 1 V 0 Burton Albion

Luton Town 1 V 1 Wigan Athletic

Sheffield Wednesday 2 V 1 Newcastle United

Liverpool 2 V 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers

Bristol City 1 V 1 Swansea City

Derby County 3 V 0 Barnsley

Cardiff City 2 V 1 Leeds United

Hartlepool United 0 V 3 Stoke City

Norwich City 0 V 1 Blackburn Rovers

Stockport County 1 V 2 Walsall

Still to Play

Aston Villa V Stevenage

Manchester City V Chelsea

Oxford United V Arsenal

4th Round Draw

Preston North End V Tottenham Hotspur

Southampton V Blackpool

Wrexham V Sheffield United

Ipswich Town V Burnley

Manchester United V Reading

Luton Town/Wigan Athletic V Grimsby Town

Derby County V West Ham United

Stoke City V Aston Villa/Stevenage

Blackburn Rovers V Forest Green Rovers/Birmingham City

Walsall V Leicester City

Sheffield Wednesday V Fleetwood Town

Manchester City/Chelsea V Oxford United/Arsenal

Bristol City/Swansea City V Chesterfield/West Bromwich Albion

Brighton & Hove Albion V Liverpool/Wolverhampton Wanderers

Fulham Athletic V Sunderland

Boreham Wood/Accrington Stanley V Cardiff City/Leeds United

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 05:56PM

Mahrez really likes scoring v Chelsea. Right into the top corner, great free kick.

Jarhead_Tendler · 08-01-2023 06:00PM

Crazy that a top level ref and assistants miss that in real time

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 06:02PM

Blatant penalty. This is surely all over now at 2-0 to City, Alvarez scores - just about,

y0ssar1an22 · 08-01-2023 06:02PM

kepa gotta save that

Garzorico · 08-01-2023 06:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082536#Comment_120082536

Crazy that players think they’ll get away with punching the ball in the box with VAR. Brain dead.

Mushy · 08-01-2023 06:05PM

How wasnt Havertz booked for that handball?

y0ssar1an22 · 08-01-2023 06:11PM

3-0 now.

08-01-2023 06:11PM

Graham potter a dead man walking.

martingriff · 08-01-2023 06:12PM

Chelsea do know there is a game of football on not just some knock about?

ShamoBuc · 08-01-2023 07:25PM

Well done to Stevenage, 1-0 down away to Aston Villa, in the 88th minute they drew level and got the winner in injury time.

TipsyMcStagge · 08-01-2023 07:25PM

Hugely embarrassing defeat for Emery and Villa as they lose at home to league 2 Stevenage.

Mr.Nice Guy · 08-01-2023 08:24PM

Tuchel to Potter was a terrible downgrade. Would Potter have been hyped up the way he was if he wasn't English? I doubt it.

christy c · 08-01-2023 09:23PM

When are the exact times of the next round likely to be announced?

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