F.A. Cup 2023 Thread

SlickRic

There's a deliberate attempt, constantly, to label critics of City as bemoaning them being rich. When that simply isn't the case.

The only argument I regularly hear is 'well, Utd were rich'. As I've said, that's a false equivalence, and is purposely done to divert your attention from the fact that the issue is the cheating.

They cheat, therefore they're able to flush their system full of funds to have the best of everything - players, youth setup, management, stadium upgrades - without any falloff in anything. Yet it's amazing how no other club is able to do everything at that standard consistently, every year, always competing, for everything. Not one. Every single club goes in cycles bar this iteration of City, whose only 'blip' came after 2 perfect Liverpool seasons got one title.

IncognitoMan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120682905#Comment_120682905

I'll never get over the irony of City fans trying to claim that FFP is/was the issue standing in the way of new clubs competing when the situation has never been worse for a new club to come along and challenge.

There has never been less opportunity for a smaller club to win a PL or FA Cup etc... Or less opportunity for them to get a CL spot.

Because the club currently at the top of the tree is NOT playing by the same rules everyone else has to follow.

The idea of FFP is sound - force clubs to grow within their means, focus on long term stability over instantly jumping to the top. To claim it is a bigger hindrance to a new team challenging than the state owned clubs is wild.

Now to get into the Champions league you have to finish above the 3 biggest clubs in England plus 2 state owned unlimited budget clubs and Chelsea who were funded by Russian oil for 20 years.

...and sometimes Spurs 😂

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683458#Comment_120683458

For every other team a wholesale switch between 'cycles' leads to a stutter. Most teams can't just lose 5 regulars and keep on truckin' like nothing happened. City just roll on through, with their immense depth of quality making it easy to bed so many new guys in without pressure. They'll likely let Gundogan go this summer too, and maybe another one or two, and it won't matter a jot. This is what will keep happening. This is why they've been a guaranteed mainstay in the CL, and will continue to be. There's just no stakes anymore.

Suvarnabhumi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120682905#Comment_120682905

Do you thing it's fair that 1 club is in breach of the financial regulations? Forget about what club it is for a minute.

POKERKING

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120684709#Comment_120684709

Of course there is stakes. You have ignored my counters to your other points.

How many times did Arsenal miss out on CL under Wenger? How many times did united miss out during fergies time(in the new format)? Nothing was said then about lack of jeopardy or no one else having a chance qualifying.

Once pep leaves it will all change anyway.

The recruitment under Pep has mostly been brilliant and he has built his team in a way that allows the loss of key players not impact the quality of the team. But there will never be any credit fr that.

POKERKING

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120684995#Comment_120684995

I enjoyed Jack Walker doing it in the 90s and I enjoyed Roman doing it in the 00s immensely, I thought it was great for football. The main(not the only before the sportswashing brigade jump in) difference between then and now is the elite lobbied successfully to get rules brought in to protect themselves and prevent further competition.

My opinion(high level) is money into football=good, money out of football=bad.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120689936#Comment_120689936

Roman and Walker is such a level of red herring. They didn't cheat the system, they took advantage of what it was at the time. Man City are cheating.

Suvarnabhumi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120689936#Comment_120689936

Textbook city fan reply :)

Ignored the question asked too ;)

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120689920#Comment_120689920

How many times did united miss out during fergies time(in the new format)?

United finished in the top 4 for 22 seasons in a row between 1992 & 2014.

They finished outside the top 2 in just 3 of those seasons.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120684995#Comment_120684995

2 premier league clubs are in breach of FFP

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120689920#Comment_120689920

Arsenal missed out on CL a lot of years as they put their money into building a new stadium, therefore letting the quality of recruitment slide. They couldn't keep up with the spending power of Chelsea & Man City's new money.

'Traditional' clubs can afford to redevelop infrastructure, or spend on recruitment / wages, but not both. Man Utd chose wages/recruitment over Old Trafford. Arsenal chose stadium over recruitment. Spurs chose stadium over recruitment. Lately, Liverpool chose stadium over recruitment.

On the other side, Chelsea can't do anything with a stadium now that Roman has left so are concentrating on recruitment. Man City were given a new stadium could concentrate on recruitment. They are able to simultaneously build new seats while recruiting new players, with no jeopardy on players not being successful as they can rectify that in the next window. Others cant.

POKERKING

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120690299#Comment_120690299

The question around arsenal was about Wenger. I am guessing the answer is close to zero. City will fall back into the same category as Chelsea(to an extent) when Pep leaves imo.

Manchester united abs can do both, they generate enough revenue there owners choose to take money out and neglect their stadium/infrastructure. A half decent owner wouldnt have done that.