Russia - threadbanned users in OP

You constantly parrot Russian propaganda points, which are fed to you through social media. You haven't even copped yet how you are being conned and fed disinformation and selective information. And you repeat that disinformation here.

Economic pressure is a violation of the Budapest agreement, signed by Ukraine and Russia. In which Ukraine gave up strategic weapons in return for guarantees of non interference from Russia.

The EU trade treaty was the biggest foreign policy decision for Ukraine in a generation. It's not a minor election promise. Again, you demonstrate you don't know what you are talking about, or worse, deliberately downplaying it with whataboutery.

Your posts here have no credibility, trying to downplay violations of an international treaty as "not get our knickers in a twist".

That's your description of an economic blockade by a country's biggest trading partner.

With added whataboutery, to show the depths of the intellectual bankruptcy of your 'position'.

In another post, you don't know what Sevastopol Naval Base is or why it is important in Russia Ukraine history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevastopol_Naval_Base

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You express sympathy for young Russian men sent off to fight in Ukraine.

Most reasonable people inc myself might have agreed with you a year ago.

But not anymore, that ship sailed a long time ago and the more young Russian men who 'disappear' or who are sent back in body bags or wheelchairs, the sooner the Russian peoples may realise the errors of their leaders and ways.

I'm afraid not, they wont understand anything at all. Its in their blood to blame whoever for it but themselves. History has shown us this before. Instead, expect more hatred from russkis towards Neo-nazi Ukraine, Rotten America, Gayropa (that is what they call us). Remember, they are the 'perfect ones' and we are all scum and all we dream about is how to be like them and live like them one day.

Situation normal in the Horde controlled lands.

The penny will eventually drop.

Always the victim it’s never their fault….

Italy offered to me a mediator.

Russia response:

However, it is strange to hear offers of mediation from countries that took an unequivocal and very aggressive anti-Russia position from the very beginning of the special military operation in Ukraine, and not only supported the bloody Kiev regime, but also provide it with significant military and military-technical assistance. It is known that Italy, along with an extensive range of weapons and military equipment, is supplying Kiev with anti-personnel mines.

These irresponsible actions not only multiply the number of victims, including Donbas civilians, and delay the end of the conflict, but could also draw Nato countries into a direct military confrontation with Russia. However, Kiev’s western sponsors, among which, unfortunately, Italy is one, are not even thinking about stopping; on the contrary, they are building up their supplies. Obviously, given Italy’s biased position, we cannot regard them as either an honest mediator or a possible guarantor in a peace process.

They are still calling it a special military operation😄😄😄

Putin and Erdogan discussed Ukraine and Syria in a phone call

not much in the way of collaboration though in either location

Democratic Election????? A Russian run election democratic election,,, are you serious? In Russian run elections ( even in their satellite states, or maybe especially their satellite states ) the results are well known in advance. The words Democracy and Russia should never be used in the same sentence. If there was even a shred of democracy in Russia, Putin would have been removed many years ago.

You express sympathy for young Russian men sent off to fight in Ukraine.

My point was slightly different, but it seems to have gone over several posters' heads. In any war, soldiers get killed, maimed, shell-shocked and wounded, and this is sad, but it is also a logical outcome of war.

What I took issue with was a poster (more than one actually) who rejoices in the death of soldiers. This is utterly sick; sort of understandable maybe if the soldiers are your immediate enemy perhaps, but on an Irish website I have to say I'm disgusted at people laughing at the death of individual soldiers in a conflict that we are not party to, and even if we are somehow involved and most of us despise Putin, there is no conflict between any individual Russian soldier and Ireland.

As John Donne wrote, "any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind". Given this, I'd be sympathetic to anyone who is conscripted into any army to fight their master's war.

Meanwhile in Russia any criticism of the offensive in Ukraine is punishable with jail time, while words such as "war" and "invasion" are banned.

When you spout nonsense of course multiple people are going to point it out.

Some only seem think "debate" means being permitted to post any old shite without challenge.

What do you think there is to debate exactly?? Russia are the definite aggressors here. Honourable nations are doing their best to help Ukraine defend itself. The Russian army is, as we know definitively, full of criminals, mercs and rapists. The Russian people are cold hearted especially the older generations and in the face of what's going on, they are generally cowards who are incapable of going against anything their dear leader stipulates.

As far as I'm concerned the Ukrainians couldn't kill enough of them......

If you wish for better consideration of ‘contrarian’ and/or ‘bothsiding’-type arguments in Russia/Ukraine debate, you may be in the wrong section of Boards, try the politics sub-forum, there’s a sister thread. You likely wouldn’t get any easier a ride there, insofar as debating on the merits is concerned, but you should have a little cushion of extra civility for that ride, relative to here. High standards of argumentation and evidence required, note.

Alternatively, of course, it may simply be that posters are not ganging up on you to suppress you, as such: you’re just sometimes, or oftentimes, on the wrong side of this particular debate, in terms of ethics, morality, equity and such, kinda like “bothsiding the SS and the Communist Army like it’s 1941 again”, and you just can’t see it.

All just friendly suggestions 🙂

Yes everyone has a secret chat going. Careful you’re not on the list!

Maybe people are acting on their own and are not impressed with those who support a regime who permits raping (children and adults), murdering, pillaging…. Maybe people have encountered the exact same BS lies they have been countered repeatedly and want to nip it in the bud rather than give the lies air.