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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Programmed my inverter to not discharge my old pack this morning and when I had a look, all cells were fully top balanced by the NEEY active balancer with all cells between 3.651 and 3.653V, these balancers are super good and a bargain for what they can achieve in just a few hours

    I was parallel charging / top balancing the new cells since last night. With 3 bench chargers 😂 but this was at least going to take another 4-5 days, so decided feck it, I will let the active balancer do its job so pack rebuilt with the new cells, so now have 48 (30kWh) with another 16 on the way from China for 40kWh. All fitting neatly into an old cabinet (with the back removed for natural convection and a couple inches away from the wall. Quite pleased with the result. Must make up some door / panel for the gap between the doors. Did a reasonable job tidying and taping the balance leads in place, will do a really good job next time as that will be my final pack.


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    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    "final pack" yeah, sure😶

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    LOL yeah that'll be me finished. Every additional 10kWh adds less value. 20kWh wasn't enough. Needed the 30kWh and the 40kWh will give just a bit more buffer for all round less micro management, no need to train people in the house what to do, etc. I also do expect budget friendly V2H solutions will be on the market in a year or two - that would give extra storage for free as the car is there anyway


    Couldn't resist the bargains, the last lot was again only just over €1300 with the VAT not charged. Really hard to go wrong for €130 per kWh for these super sturdy CALB cells

    Final plans then are upgrade the Sunsynk to a 9kW single phase hybrid inverter and get 5kwp on my north facing roof (for total 16kwp), another single panel into my back wall string and eddi installed and outputting to immersion and storage heaters. Should all be in place before the start of next winter. Hopefully a lot earlier

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Extended one of the doors. So all out of sight now


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    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Looks good @unkel. Can the neey active balance be left on at all times and continue to balance on a daily basis at fully charged or@unkel is it a case of having to connect it and disconnect after doing the job and do the same again when want to rebalance?

    Also are they usually around 100 euro as just had quick look at them there in alexpress?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yep paid a bit over €100 iirc, was not in a sale and that included shipping which was pretty swift. A week or two iirc. You can get them a bit cheaper in the sale / if you wait for slow shipping.

    These are smart devices, you have an app (Android, not sure if there is an iOS one, probably not) on your phone and settings you can put in. I've mine set to only starts balancing when one cell hits 3.39V, so in winter the battery charges up quickly after 15kW o'clock and spends the rest of the night balancing. Checked this morning and it had done a perfect job.

    You are thinking of the basic active balancers, work the same but no settings, which means they are balancing all the time. At first thought that sounds like a great idea, but it isn't as not all cells have the exact same capacity, some are simply weaker. So go down quicker or up quicker. And you keep forcing them all the time, which likely makes them even weaker over time

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 354 ✭✭Geeyfds53573


    Thanks Unkel good to know I was thinking of skipping the top balance myself for now as have a Neey, there is an IOS app but haven’t used yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Ah good to know. There's usually some old no longer used Apple devices around the house - I never used them but the kids all do - and I find them handy for permanently displaying a certain app. They seem to stay on better / keep charged better than cheap Android devices. I guess because they were once very expensive! I have an iPad mini 3 - I think - above my desk permanently showing the myenergi app 😁 might do the same for the NEEY. Mind I bought a JK BMS in the 11/11 sale, haven't tried that yet. It can do 2A active balancing. I'll test it out on a test battery, main reason for installing it would be the comms - talk to my inverter via CAN. But not yet sure if / how that works / how to configure


    And yeah top balancing in parallel is a complete pain in the hole. It would be tolerable if you'd have a 40A or higher charger (who does?), but still a pain. The balancer does all the work for you. Next time I won't even bother putting the new cells in parallel, just strip down the old battery and rebuild it with the new cells. I did put a sticker on the new cells though, so for each parallel cell, I used 2 old cells and then 1 new one. Got to give them a fair start. And of course monitor the progress. If you did this and had a BMS like the Seplos installed, it would throw a mickey fit, start crying, shout abuse about monomers at you and then shut itself down 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    So I was expecting some cells to go high after an hour or two of 100A charging last night. And they did. I then just switched off charging at the inverter and let the active balancer spend the rest of the night balancing. Did a good job of it, but the battery was obviously not yet completely fully charged when I switched charging off. Will do the same again this evening. I've a lot more buffer now, so I could afford to not fully charge

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    In theory, you should be able to drop the charge to 4 amps and the balancer should be able to shift the power about as needed?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Nice one, ordered one here last night so should be here in about two weeks. Assume these are wired similar to the BMS. Postive 1 and negative to first cell and then to each positive on cells after that up to 16?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes exact same as a BMS. It's pretty clear / easy if you've ever done a BMS and pretty clearly labelled on the NEEY case itself as well at the connectors

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    In theory. But I've two issues with the Sunsynk that have not been resolved yet even though getting the latest firmware. One is that I have no way of limiting the charging or discharging power (even though you specify it in the menu, you can even specify it per time slot - but this doesn't work). So when you charge from the grid, it charges at max power (about 100A) continuous.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭HotSwap


    So if I wanted to do a 10KWh battery; what do I need? Do you have a list of stuff I need to order? Are you guys hooking these up to hybrid solar inverters or dedicated battery inverters / charge controllers?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    First post here ....

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058246061/10kwh-lifepo4-diy-battery-addition-here-is-my-write-up/p1

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭johndoe11


    Been following this thread for a while, thanks to all the contributors. Getting a solis RHI-1P6K-HVES-5G installed next month with an 8kwp system. Thinking of cancelling the off the shelf 5KW battery and going down the DIY route. I'd have no issues doing the assembly work, but just concerned about BMS compatibility and what might be required there. What the best and easiest BMS solution for the solis? Is seems to be seplos, but just wondering if any other are suitable? I also saw ZEVA used successfully but they are no longer in business.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Folks, our Forum favourite PWOD have started putting in a minimum 180-190Ah disclaimer in their 200Ah AE ads😢, we might not be getting Grade A cells/full 200Ah capacity going forward

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I don't think we ever got grade A CALBs, thinking about it. Minimum of 180A is fine with me!

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,207 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Just submitted my meter readings for Nov-Dec.


    Day units used - 134

    Night units used - 1909


    I was using electricity for heating a lot of the time to reduce my oil bill (which I did by about €150 a month).


    So about 900 of that 1900 was load shifting with the other 1000 being actual night use.


    900 shifted units at a difference of 19.5c is €175 saved over 2 months thanks to the 20kWh battery. Give or take for losses etc it's still substantial. Add in October, January & February when I'll still be load shifting 10-12kWh per day and accounting for the savings in oil and I'm pretty pleased with my ROI.


    It's late and I'm tired, how's my math?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    For the record that works now, I can limit the grid charging rate in the Sunsynk. In the battery settings, not in the schedule though where you'd expect it as power is a column there

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Big Lar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    So that minus the 90% DOD, and 20% round trip loses, brings the 40kwh pack to what? About 30kwh usable give or take. Easily go through that in a day 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yep. With all the round trip losses, people need more than they think. And then you are starting to talk silly money if you have to get pre made packs. How much is a 5kWh pre made pack these days retail, at least €2500? Plus a good bit extra for proprietary cables? And many inverters having a maximum number of packs you can connect?

    With the CALBs you can still add another 10kWh for €1300. And another and another. And you don't need any other hardware, just reconfigure your pack, you can still use the single BMS / balancer you already had, the busbars and bolts etc. are all included. After buying and selling some previous batteries, I think the 40kWh I soon will have has cost me about €3000

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    100%

    40kwh is the new 20kwh - add that it to your sig, free of charge 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I'd rather a more positive message in my sig 😂

    I honestly wish we didn't need these batteries and that the Irish government was a bit more progressive thinking and would have forced a more equitable feed in tariff and smart meter solution onto the utility providers.

    "The grid should be our battery"

    How's that for a sig?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,487 ✭✭✭randombar


    Anyone have a link to the Neey yoke?

    Is this it? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003125644284.html

    Also I think I need to keep a better an eye on these Forums, I miss the battery sales every time they come up!!!! Any alerts in place for em or anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,689 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    I think come August when my energia EV tariff expires the sig will need to be: I don't need sex, the government f***s me every day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,117 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Yes that's it and from a reliable store too (Hankzor official store)


    As for the CALBS, just have a look a couple times a week on PWOD official store. Target is sub €1400 for 16 after the VAT is taken off. Could be another sale coming up before or after the Chinese new year.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Not quite, you will have already suffered it losses "into" your battery so your available AC battery capacity for you to avail of will be

    100% - assuming 100% SOH

    Less

    10% - or whatever your DOD allowance is, some inverters will not allow as deep as 90%

    Less

    10% - losses out, just giving an example rate, each inverter will be different

    So 80% available.

    Using a 40kWh pack as an example

    64cells x 3.2v x 200Ah x 80% available = 32.8kWh

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    ..and the reality is the 200Ah cells are not 200Ah, likely ~190Ah but I'm not testing mine

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