What Jobs are WFH and what are 4 days?

Why would any multinational (many who have offices already in low cost economies already) have set up here or expanded here since they came here if it was just down to wages?

Many of these companies have roles that really can and are done from anywhere however it is not just down to salaries that the companies retain these jobs in Ireland.

Large multinationals have always had the option to assign roles to anywhere in the world. You really think it took Covid to show them that certain roles can be done from anywhere in the world?

I've worked in a number of places that had Indian offices as part of the global organisation and I've seen a number of cases where changes in management cause these drastic changes in policy. As dotmans states, when management just focuses on short term financial gain, offshoring to India or elsewhere becomes popular but almost inevitably, when cost is the primary driver, quality drops so substantially that the repeated scenario I've been in personally is to "salvage" the work.

And I know there is an idea of massive candidate pools with these offshore teams but I've personally been interviewing candidates there for over 6 years and the amount of "engineers" who can drop all the buzz words but can't actually deliver is astounding.

Thats one major reason.

A few more.

English Language

Member of the EU

Availability of labour

The point is, these companies could have set up anywhere in the world and had staff anywhere in the world (and many of these companies do)

Indeed many of these companies hage had WFH prior to Covid.

I don't really see how a more prevalent WFH culture is going to see them suddenly decide to off-shore more jobs than they were already.

Given the social and intergration skills of the majority of the outsourced employees, I really cant see Ireland suffering in any major way with competitiveness for skilled work. Not in my lifetime anyway. ChatGpt will take a hold before outsourcing does.

When you move jobs offshore for cheap, you get what you pay for, and you pay in ways you cannot even imagine.

It starts lovely, they put their best staff on it, you bet they all speak Queen's English and know your company and process inside out. Those are not the people who will support you in 1 year time though, they are the bait. 1 year on you will be staffed exclusively by interns making 2 cent an hour, and they REALLY don't care about success of failure of your company. Don't worry there are very smart people in India and all that. They just won't be the ones looking after you. They are in demand. They have better things to do than playing your budget lackey. You will get the clowns.

Been part of a company that loved their outsourcing. Moved IT support from having 2 guys in the basement keeping hundreds of us happy and well run to an entire squadron in India. Few were on our payroll 'managing' the process and then they had contractors to pull at. We went from dude Tom coming up and fixing everything to 12 Rajeshes flipping tickets around for a month until you gave up. Tom ensured things ran and we didn't even know how. India had us file and report issues 10 times a day and explain to them how to fix it too. It was a massive drain on non-IT resources. Needless to say all innovation died with that too, any projects that required IT were doomed from the start. Internal employees stopped bothering with that because all they got was pushback.

The shitshow of support I had there was about 70% of the reason I quit. I work with a lot of companies now as part of my job, discovered this is a reoccuring theme in many. Your regular business employees, management, operations come back saying something can't be achieved because India or Romania or Bangladesh whatever said it's not part of their job not part of their contract. Their staff spend 30-60% of their hours doing things that were supposed to be done offshore. Companies that allow these sort of relationships - they're dying.

That too yes same exact chain of events. And the brain drain as result was real. Anybody who had even an ounce of will and innovation was shot down, we'd have bright new (and expensive) minds come in and quit within months, citing resistance to change. The readiness and willingness of our offshore staff (many were on our payroll) and contractors to say "I don't know how to do it so we won't" or "We don't have enough resources" or "my contract doesn't state this work" was shocking. It kills all conversation. And it cannot be understated how much damage this evasive, non productive behaviour does.

It may come off as racist sometimes, but it's not race I find. Outsourcing jobs inevitably outsources responsibility. People just don't care , they are cushioned from any consequences by the distance, reporting lines, visibility. Even if you keep the jobs on your payroll, inevitably you end up putting someone in charge of India, and then the IT guy supposed to help you is 5 managers up detached from you.

And then there is the absurdly simple reality, if the offshore guys create equivalent value to someone in Ireland , UK or US, they do just that and demand the salary to match. There are well off , successful people in India, or they emigrate out and work on site. But the smart ones aren't working for poverty wage. That assumption in itself is racist. Successful companies have either snatched that talent up or trained them to begin with. You don't get those people, you're coming in with the expectation of cost cutting, budget alternatives, quick and easy solution. You get the budget equivalents. The quick and easy 'talent'. The very least employable people imaginable, their only saving grace is willing to work for cheap.

While they are absolutely dreadful, the problem is not with the contracts. The problem is with the decision and decision-makers in the first place. Inevitable, it is always people who don't have a clue about what they are doing who make the decision on what to outsource and how to do it. And they always make the decision that best suits their short-term career needs. There is a reason why consultants target certain people in an org.

The problem with the contracts is that the same clueless people double-down when it comes to the contracts. As a result, the contracts promote the building of barriers/silos, blame-game culture, focus on BS metrics as opposed to "doing the obvious and right thing", layers of bureaucracy, CYA mentality and, of course, completely inflexibility in a world of rapid change.

Thus, there is nothing to "manage". Trying to manage it is akin to polishing a turd. But, by improving a few small things and setting the bar/expectations really low, a manager can claim success on this area.

while some of whats highlighted here may be true but the reality is that whole IT and Call center departments have been outsourced to India by large MNCs from Telecom, Banking, Oil & Gas sectors.. Indian IT companies have huge campuses with dedicated buildings to server single clients like banks with hundreds of software engineers working for just one client ! Some of these campuses in Bangalore have 10 thousand plus software engineers working in 24 hour shifts ...Outsourcing is a big success for the companies who has done it correctly !

The trend lately seems that if anyone wants to WFH for whatever reason, then that job can be outsourced because they aren't in an office...I can't follow that logic at all.

It is generally people who are pro work in the office that come out with the ridiculous ideas.

Usually micro managers who need to see people to manage them.

The event organiser, team loudmouth, managers pet etc who rely on being in office to try advance.

Working remotely removes this edge and let's them be judged more on actual work.

So they try to force into the office for personal selfish reasons.

While people who are pro work from home couldn't care less what anyone does.