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50 years and four days in the European Union today

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭joe40


    If a large economy like the UK is suffering after leaving the EU, how much worse would it be for a small country like Ireland

    The EU may not be perfect but we are much better of within the union than outside.

    Such scutter about us not able to govern, we do as well as every other small EU nation.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,944 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's amazing how some people hate their own country and its people so much that they're hoping to inflict serious damage so they can be right on the internet.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I think we have probably benefitted from being members. However we should remember we only got in in 1973 to enable the UK to get in, we weren't really on the priority list, the big fish they wanted was Britain.

    We have no real say on any of their policies, mind you I do like the way that they can influence what goes on overhere and by in large they have been a positive influence.

    I think they have used us as a stick to beat the Brits with over the border issues, the bargaining lines have been unreasonable considering the ramifications and what is at stake? We would be far better off having our own input into our own island than having Dutch, French or Belgians getting tight on matters that will never be of much concern to them. Britain have really put a spanner in the works and I think over time that will impact negatively on our input into international trade affairs. Despite Britain being out of the union they still have a remarkable economic impact on it? What the EU say they are attempting to do and what they actually end up doing are remarkably different things. If you asked any of the main original states what they think of our involvement now, if they were being honest, they would have to say that in 50 years we have now become an economic problem for them as opposed to the economic solution that we offered in 1973.

    I won't start on their bullshít environmental directives they are imposing on our farming industry, but it is an absolute shambles what is happening there and to see our own politicians eat their crap is sickening - and I would generally be a supporter of the current government, but allowing that to happen to our farming industry is appalling?

    We might be in, but we are currently a problem for them. Like poo on their shoe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Excuse me....are you a mod?

    Are you accusing me of hating my own country, or is your problem that I am referencing a dysfunctional era in our shared history?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,944 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The EUs position on brexit and Northern Ireland is basically entirely driven by Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    No, don't feel like lugging that goalpost about. We can and do govern ourselves. Despite f-ckups, democracy has survived intact, state has not devolved to autocracy/dictatorship or collapsed due to civil strife or warfare etc. at any point since independence.

    If your new point is we didn't get to the place where we are now alone + the years of EU/EC/EEC membership helped us quite a lot with that, okay (we might be on same page now, but in a different book from "we can't govern ourselves").

    I think it raised standard (+ public expectations) of governance here in terms of reducing corruption, increasing the openness of govt., giving citizens more rights, and even just the small thing of exposing politicians and administrators to different ideas (other than from the "mothership" in UK, or the US) and ways of doing things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Ah ok, we have avoided authoritarianism...mightn't have felt that way if some priest was beating the s**t out of you for writing with your left hand in schools across the country but I understand you point, we aren't all bad. And I have already stated why I am pro EU, it has been a huge reason we became an open country. It's nuts we completely avoid being critical of our past, especially given our past, sometimes I think we haven't changed a bit (in terms of our tendency toward intolerance) which concerns me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    We don't have endemic political corruption. Hard boiled nonsense.

    We're not perfect, but we're among the least corrupt states in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    There's nowhere perfect.

    We have had endemic corruption in our Capital city. Our Taoiseach was found to be in possession of sackfuls of cash, I don't need to mention the Haughey era, or the tribunals or the Church sex abuse scandals. Hard boiled nonsense you say?? Tell that to the victims.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Can you quote me where I gave dates on anything on this?

    I'll wait.

    I'm not a mystic meg, I'm a realist and if Britain refuses to police it's own border in the Irish sea then there is no other option for us.

    There won't be a physical border on this island.

    The inspections will have to be between Ireland and the continent. It's not a choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,121 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'm not trawling through 6 years of the Brexit thread for something that stupid and no sane poster would expect me to.

    But it happened and plenty remember. One time you had us all counting down to the next Monday when Boris and Mogg had promised to rip up the NIP. Monday came and went like every other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,251 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Brexit happened 3 years ago, boards cranks and barstool cranks aside… plenty of people with reasonable concerns as to the direction of life in this country courtesy of decisions being made with likely risks to citizens wellbeing….personally, economically, socially and health wise are completely and 100% legitimate…and are in many cases have been and continue to be proven to be….polls ran by government mouthpieces ? I’ll listen to what people around me say…. What is happening in the country, first hand…None frequent barstools or are classed as cranks btw….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,917 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I’m broadly in favour of membership but what I loathe is the absolute derivation of responsibility our useless political class love to attribute to the EU when it suits them to do nothing. Some crap about they couldn’t reduce VAT on fuel as the “EU won’t let them”. I mean what the actual fcuk? If that’s the case then why not just abolish Dáil Éireann and run the lot directly from Brussels.

    I really feel our political class love to deflect as it waters down any attempt for direct responsibility- I have a major problem with that tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Well no it didn't.

    So you can give that up.

    The situation is as it is which is fragile. Until the Brits start doing what they signed up for it will remain that way and our place in the single market is at risk.

    This is not breaking news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,121 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    None of those concerns involve our membership of the EU though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,121 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,917 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Who is next in line to join? Serbia, Bosnia herozgovnia ,Montenegro Albania?

    I think Montenegro and possibly Serbia are next in line to join.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,121 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There are currently 8 including Ukraine and Turkey but they are all years away from meeting criteria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,917 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    A major positive of joining was it raised the standards of the country so we could compete properly- we were an uncompetitive economic basket case pre joining. We had to raise our game



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,917 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Forgot Turkey I think they had all but stalled. I think Montenegro and Serbia are the most advanced and not too far off convergence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    I'll repeat, we do not have endemic political corruption. We are among the least politically corrupt states in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    You have gone off the deep end and dived into a barrel of horseshit now Dyr. We have 100 years of big decisions behind us now, some correct and some incorrect but all made by our own elected governments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Turkey will never join. Not even bothering with the reform process required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭paul71


    You have given specific deadlines at least 5 times in the Brexit thread. There was 1 in particular about 3 years ago were you said we would definitely be out within 6 months. I challenged to make a bet in favour of a nominated charity, about 10 other people offered the same bet and you disappeared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Better send your memo to the Department of Foreign Affairs so.

    When did I ever say I wanted Ireland out of the EU?

    The usual suspects here read what they want to read.

    I want two things:

    An end to ever closer union

    A free trade area

    That doesn't have to mean out of the EU. It means reform and an end to pretensions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,121 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,944 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's the same Putinist QAnon stuff you've spouted for literally more than half a decade.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,451 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Blah blah, you just don't like anyone with a different opinion to yourself. There is a word for that incidentally associated with a maniacal force that tore through the continent but I'll show restraint.

    I take it you still haven't reconciled yourself with the decision of your fellow compatriots more than half a decade later.



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