Beef price tracker 2

trabpc · 28-12-2022 10:48PM

If you only gone organic you can continue to use straight grains from local providers. Currently €380 ton. For the 2 years of conversion. Once it contains no GMOs you can work away. Nuts or blends not allowed as all these contain mixes which are not allowed.

wrangler · 28-12-2022 11:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120041678#Comment_120041678

Agreed, continentals would never finish on 3kgs, they're growing so fast that even to maintain flesh would be difficult...... Unless of course your silage was up near 80% DMD.

wrangler · 28-12-2022 11:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120042179#Comment_120042179

But the animals wouldn't be considered organic if the ration isn't organic , would they

trabpc · 29-12-2022 12:06AM

Correct. Animals over 1st two years of conversion must be sold as conventional. So can be fed non GMO straight grains. After 24months(conversion period) then this option is gone.

I'm all dry stock. And just finishing the 2 year conversion period . Was able to buy conventional stock up to 18months in. Which suited me.

From Feb onwards my 2yrs conversion is over,then i have to buy in fully organic stock.....

But definitely worth checking with your organic society. They are the only ones that can advise on your system.

But suckling may be different than dry stock.

feirmeoir101 · 01-01-2023 04:55PM

Hi all, quick question, is there much of a price penalty for a bullock over 36 months? I have 2 that I had to keep to now, they're still not very well fleshed, it would be an advantage to keep them to May or June but 1 of them will be at 36 months in April.

This is my 1st year doing the wheeling and dealing so figuring it all out. Got a decent price at the end of December for some very average stock so happy with the year overall.

893bet · 01-01-2023 05:12PM

No penalty I thought, just you won’t get the QA bonus if you are quality assured.

Bass Reeves · 01-01-2023 05:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120052769#Comment_120052769

There should be no penalty just make sure to qualify it with your agent

You lose the 8cQA bonus however the general price increase should better that. Cattle that age do a fierce thrive if they are gotten out to grass in early/mid March and are usually well fleshed by early June

valtra2 · 01-01-2023 06:33PM

Hefirs 5 on grid and young bulls 515 killing tuesday

kk.man · 01-01-2023 10:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053039#Comment_120053039

Must be mad for meat if bulls are 15c more than heifers.

Siamsa Sessions · 01-01-2023 10:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053039#Comment_120053039

Could be the Guinness talking but will we see €6/kg in May?

mr.stonewall · 01-01-2023 11:08PM

20 weeks to mid may at 5c a week would get you there. A lot will play on how they can manage the kill with the use of feedlot cattle and with 5 short weeks with bank holidays.

Bass Reeves · 01-01-2023 11:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053964#Comment_120053964

Young bulls are flat I would say they are probably mostly U grades.

Heifers are 5+20cQA. Good price for bulls if over 16 months mostly.

valtra2 · 01-01-2023 11:22PM

Sorry ya under 16 u bulls

Danzy · 01-01-2023 11:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120053990#Comment_120053990

I hope so but I don't think so. There will be a good few cattle coming out in May and June.

There are reasons to think it will be at 6 but it will be dragged long past when it should be.

kk.man · 02-01-2023 12:29AM

Word from the few UK marts held recently store cattle are a mad price.

I noticed the other evening not far from me, a cattle dealer uses a field to keep cattle for the next sale. It was full of heavy cattle which I never saw he had before.

GNWoodd · 05-01-2023 05:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120054334#Comment_120054334

China reopening for our beef should drive on prices significantly .

First sales of the New Year here will be interesting

kk.man · 05-01-2023 05:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120069764#Comment_120069764

Its great to see but i think it will be a few weeks before any impact. Individual processors will need to find buyers and maybe new inspections. I'd worry if we have priced ourselves out of the China market. Remember the last time we supplied China it was around the beef protest time and prime beef at 3.60. It takes a fair expense to ferry beef to there and prime now heading for 5.50.

GNWoodd · 05-01-2023 05:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120069845#Comment_120069845

The rise in recent years in the number of Chinese middle class makes our paltry increase in price or transport costs insignificant.

kk.man · 05-01-2023 05:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120069947#Comment_120069947

i would hope that would be the case still

Bass Reeves · 05-01-2023 05:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120069947#Comment_120069947

Another factor is the Chinese market will compete for the fifth quarter and the the forequarter beef. Any extra demand in this area is welcome

Siamsa Sessions · 05-01-2023 08:24PM

Seeing will be believing for this Chinese news.

Any increase in farm-gate price is badly needed. I priced beef finisher ration today, which I already mix with rolled barley to help dilute price, and it’s north of €500 in one merchant here in the south-east.

roosterman71 · 05-01-2023 08:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120069845#Comment_120069845

You must have been added to an email from Larry to agents with that spiel. It's something I'd expect the processors to come out with.

"Oh we've a huge market of over a billion people, but sure with the cost of processing, storage, ferries and transport to poor mammies in China from the boat will mean the max we can pay for your prime Irish beef is €4.50/kg max, including all bonuses"

Danzy · 05-01-2023 08:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120069845#Comment_120069845

China is a long way from all beef exporters.

Fine Day · 05-01-2023 08:50PM

This Chinese export talk is only to put Abit confidence into beef finishing. They want lads to start buying meal so there is a good supply come next spring. Same old talk like we have heard in the past. The Chinese can't be trusted. Ruthless crowd and fit to do anything.

wrangler · 05-01-2023 08:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120070720#Comment_120070720

We were supplying them before and the price was only 3.60/kg, they didn't set the price mad then

roosterman71 · 05-01-2023 09:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120070819#Comment_120070819

The Chinese are out for everything and anything they can get their hands on and pay as little as possible. As good news as it is, I can't see it raising the price the factories here pay our beef farmers.

kk.man · 05-01-2023 10:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120070720#Comment_120070720

I am far from in with Larry's agents. I'm just pointing out the obvious will I add they have cheaper options from south America and Oceania

Siamsa Sessions · 05-01-2023 10:24PM

After their big PR blitz, duly printed as fact by the farming media, it’ll be egg on the face of McConalogue and Bord Bia if there’s no price rise off the back of this.

But then such reality didn’t bother them after the same BS about access to USA, etc. markets, as pointed out above.

Pity the same farm media, or the farm reps, wouldn’t put a bit of pressure on them instead of doffing their cap. I see McConalouge is “keynote speaker” at an IFA bash in Thomand Park next week. What are the chances anyone asks him an awkward question at that and persists til he gives an honest answer?

roosterman71 · 05-01-2023 10:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120071121#Comment_120071121

I'm not saying you are. Apologies if it reads like that. My point was the reasons you gave sound like something that agents will be peddling out in the not too distant future

Dickie10 · 05-01-2023 10:45PM

yep they are fit for everything, but havent they been buying powdered baby milk from irish farmers for the last few years? is australian and nz beef price a long way behind irelands? they are closer but i wouldnt imagine they are that much less expensive to transport beef , its a fair journey from south island in nz to china.

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