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Incorrect clearance/VAT charges/Missing IOSS number with An Post/Addresspal ***See First Post***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge




  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,414 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    it depends on the option the chose when shipping the parcel. It will either be returned to the sender or destroyed. If it is destroyed then you won’t be getting a refund nor will a charge back work if the retailer disputes the charge back as they will have documentation to show you rejected the parcel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Everything related to the order was handled by Amazon. The issue arose when the seller did not breakdown the order into "cost of goods + UK Vat". They just gave a total cost to Amazon.

    An post handled the customs fee. Per revenue website, to get a refund on the import fees deposit, you contact the delivery company who took the fee and they should request a refund from revenue.


    If your goods were delivered by An Post, you must contact An Post directly. The contact details should be included in any correspondence received in connection with your delivery.





  • Registered Users Posts: 47 xPrePF7z4jLy7M


    The collection of duties and VAT on items sent through the postal services is operated the exact same way throughout the EU/EEA/CH so it is not going to change TD or not.

    The discussion was about complaints, not collection. Stop defending them, the way they handle the service is appalling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    They handle it no differently to any other mail handlers (both in Ireland and abroad) dealing with customs and VAT that uses resources for no return when senders don't follow basic instructions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    You are confirming that the error was made by the seller as they cold not do a very very basic task of providing the prices ex uk vat.

    I used to do some selling on amazon when I was in the uk and I still get their emails. The instructions cannot be any simpler.

    Your gripe is with the marketplace seller who either made an error, or simply can't be bothered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    My package was taken. Didn't come to me or get returned to sender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Then the sender mustn't have opted for return, so it was destroyed. If you believe it was illegally taken then pursue that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I don't disagree with you, but you are splitting hairs.

    At the end of the day, either Revenue or An Post have over €450 of my money and neither of them are being very cooperative in resolving the issue.

    Next year when I go to pay my tax bill, if I haven't recieved my money back, I will be docking it from what I owe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,484 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    I absolutely would but an post are not contactable whatsoever. I jave sent 20-30 emails. They took my package and that's that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    You've hijacked this tread with a totally different issue to what the OP had, hence your posts make little sense.


    But I'm guessing


    1 - you bought from a marketplace seller on amazon

    2 - The seller did not fill in the very basic requirements for ex vat value.

    3 - The seller put the total value including UK vat on the parcel and charged you that amount

    4 - an post, quite correctly, used the value on the parcel as the value for customs purposes.

    5 - you paid the taxes and duties and got delivery

    6 - You then changed your mind and had an issue with the taxes charged (higher than they should be due to the error by the seller)

    7 - You have returned the item

    8 - You have proof that the item has been returned and can show the refund on your card

    9 - you have followed the revenue instructions to the letter https://www.revenue.ie/en/customs/individuals/buying-online-personal/claim-refund.aspx#

    10 - this request is laid out in a professional manner with just the details requested and not some long winded moan about the issue - which was ENTIRELY the fault of the seller.


    If you have sent in the details with ALL of the information provided, then its a waiting game. Even in business and using customs agents, a refund can take 3 months.


    But there is absolutely nothing whatsoever in your posts that show any blame with anpost or revenue. It is 100% the fault of the sender. Send your rant to them for not following very basic procedure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    No, you hijacked the thread by zoning in on petty points relating to my posts.

    I entered the thread to let the OP know that he will have a hard time dealing with An Post, which is 100% true and relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    So I'll guess everything I said about your issue is correct and I will repeat again. It was the SELLER that was at fault. NOT An Post.

    You did hijack the thread with a load of rubbish about an post when it was the seller you bought from made a very elementary error.


    I answered the OP with the most probable reason - again a seller not filling in information correctly and the buyer not understanding the charges here. The OP had "free delivery" but as the company did not give a delivery value, the standard delivery fee is used (international practice).

    As the OP's purchase was over €150, duty applied. Duty on clothing is from 8% - 20%

    The weirdfish site states that taxes and duties may be due, but say it up to the customer to check. In other words the site that the op bought from couldn't give a damn and probably can't be bothered to correctly fill out paperwork.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,963 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    True, they are awful at times, but thats biassed as hell because almost no-one who has a good experience with them and gets their post will leave a review.



  • Registered Users Posts: 47 xPrePF7z4jLy7M


    They don't "handle" anything. They simply don't answer queries or complaints, full stop, end of story, as has been stated multiple times in this thread, and others.

    You and @walterking's insistence on ignoring these comments is wanton and clearly intentional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    I've only ever had very positive dealings with them but found the postal services in Germany and France impossible to deal with, grossly inefficient, and manifestly unwilling to provide any customer service, while having inordinate delays in delivering even ordinary letter post. I'm ignoring nothing but emphasising that the problems raised here were the direct result of the senders' errors or omissions and it is to them that disputes should be directed. I can't speak for walterking and don't know what they posted without reading back the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    But still your issue is with the seller who made a really basic error.


    You've stated that yourself.


    So why not direct your anger at the source of your issue.?


    Something you are not telling us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭tanka006


    Hi Guys,

    Thank you for all your comments

    Just to put this to bed.

    I mailed An Post at this address eCommChargeQuery@anpost.ie they are doing a re-evaluation based on a copy of the actual invoice.

    Their word, not mine.

    I have not received my money yet, but they are comuniating.

    Tanka



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  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Atrides


    Ordered some goods in the UK to a friend's address in UK. Price was €53.80 including delivery.

    She repackaged it and sent it as a private package to Ireland. AnPost valued it as €112.57 with €29.39 to be paid.

    07.03.2023 sent an email to ecommchargequery@anpost.ie with an invoice from PayPal and a seller invoice.

    No answer from AnPost for 13 days, so An Post simply takes stuff hostage and ignores all emails.

    An Post = Facepalm



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Did they put any documentation with it, or try and send it through without going through customs? You might want to check out the forum charter just in case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    You can be fairly sure that the correct documentation and correct value was not put on it.

    There's no such thing as a "private package". If you are sending from the UK to Ireland the goods need to be detailed with taric code and value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65 ✭✭Atrides




  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Did you get anywhere with appealing this, I’ve had this happen before and happening now. 30€ vat and charges on a 62$ purchase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    No, I was told that was the rule, that Vat is applied on full retail value and not on sale price. Paying an extra 50% sucks, sorry you got stung :/

    Seems like a ridiculous rule.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Hmm, the definition of ‘retail value’ rather than the rrp or label price is up for debate I guess, but as you say probably won’t get anywhere with them. Bit of a law unto themselves really.


    “The value of goods used for customs purposes is usually the transaction value, that is the price actually paid or payable for the goods. This is the invoice price plus the cost of transport and insurance. It also includes any other payments made or to be made for the imported goods.

    Valuation methods

    There are six methods of valuation that apply in hierarchical order. If method 1 (transaction value) cannot be used then you should use the next method and so on:

    1. The transaction value method.
    2. The transaction value of identical goods.
    3. The transaction value of similar goods.
    4. The deductive method.
    5. The computed method.
    6. The residual valuation provision.

    If you need further information see the customs manual on valuation.”



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    Discounts are supposed to be allowed, since a change in the last few years. The rule wasn't ridiculous - it was set up to make sure related companies charged full price for products, and could justify discounts, which preserved competition in the market. It obviously became an issue for consumers with the advent of online buying, but I'm surprised they dropped it as unscrupulous sellers could just discount it 99% on the invoice, while charging you full price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    I've had a couple of issues with them now over the years, from parcels being returned to their location without just reason to VAT being charged on books when they are an exempted class.

    I have to say nothing was resolved and the whole process was inefficient and arduous to the point that it has now put me off bothering. I have spent hours replying to emails, supplying requested info etc only for it all to end receiving no reply in the end. They really need to sharpen their service up.



  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    Check, yes I’m guessing it won’t go anywhere but will give it the college try, paid it anyway to get items for the time being, I rejected an item last time and it never got back to the sender so I lost money on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    Yeah do it, report back if you have success - tag me if you can! Best of luck with it! TBH if it works out I would be more inclined to buy sale goods in future.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 16,592 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    I got a partial refund today, takes a while for responses, but they replied to initial query in 10 days or so looking for evidence of the actual cost, I sent it on and they replied about 8 days later saying the processed the refund based on that. Seems like it’s an issue with how retailers show prices on sales items. I never risk buying too much because of potential big bills, so not sure I’d chance it too often. They could have easily said there wasn’t enough proof as the information I had wasn’t everything they asked for, but it was a lot of it, they were very helpful really. I got about 33% back of initial charge which was great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    Oh well done, that was great. When it happened to me I was given a "no can do" and that was it but will push on it future and try to be more demanding.

    Have they changed the rules around it so, is VAT no longer applied to the recommended retail value and is now just applicable on price paid even if it's sale price?



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 MrCouperin


    I recently purchased some items from eBay, which were intended as a present. As usual, eBay charged me 23% VAT and usually eBay packages come through without any problems. An Post charged me 23% VAT again, using a figure for the value that already included 23% VAT (so I paid tax on tax, ludicrously) and although I was annoyed about it and should really have disputed the charge, I paid it this Tuesday morning so I would get it before Christmas. As of this morning, it is still sitting in Dublin Mail Centre, meaning the earliest it will now arrive is the 28th, so after Christmas. All because of a VAT charge I shouldn't have had to pay to begin with.

    Most people you deal with in An Post are pretty great, from the people delivering the post to the post office staff, but Dublin Mail Centre is so horrendously bad that I really am utterly fed up with it. Every time I have these stupid headaches with erroneous VAT charges, DMC are involved. I wish something could be done about this.

    Post edited by MrCouperin on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭runswithascript


    I ordered a portable battery recently in the Amazon sale that was discounted to ~€100. As I could not have it delivered here I sent it to AddressPal in the UK for what I expected to be an additional charge of €6.50. On Thursday evening I received a notification that the item has been valued at €147 and I must pay VAT and service of €38. There is an email address on AddressPal to query customs charges but it will take some time before I hear from them.

    Is this charge valid, or was I correct to assume there should be no charge for this item because it should be valued at the price I actually paid for it, and even if I did pay the full price, that has been valued at less than €150?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭gussieg


    ordered some pangolin charity T-shirts , not cheap , but hey it’s pangolins, and so I got 3 at the same time to justify the shipping cost. Before it arrived, got charged 20 customs on 78 worth of t shirts. 3.50 is their charge so 16.50 . Seems a bit steep for t shirts. Paid at as didn’t want to lose them altogether , but it’s crap that they’re for charity too. Ah well they’re nice t shirts.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,008 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    VAT is 23% so its about right.



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