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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Panrich


    What exists any more between the far right and the radical far left extremists?

    People now are so desperate to put clear water between their own views and those who disagree with them, that they have to resort to calling others 'radical' or 'far' away. It's a sure sign of low intelligence in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Or, you can simply use terms like "far left" and "far right" with reference to actual far left and far right people who exist and have opinions that most people find extreme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,043 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    No they pulled due to not being happy paying for a product that couldn't guarantee it would be the same product the next day. ALso LOL about that McDonalds comment, sure if tobacco companies had any ethics they wouldnt sell cigarettes, or if Diageo had ethics they wouldn't sell alcohol... the absolute state of your arguments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,043 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Only if the information is not publicly available or obtained illegally, none of that happened though to Musk.

    Post edited by VinLieger on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,797 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    You're going to feel pretty bad if someone attacks Joe now.



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  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just for sh*ts and giggles... Why is one, "the far right", and the other, "the radical far left"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,223 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,916 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    The far right have no business being on the “red planet”.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    the reason it's called 'the red planet' is that the commies already legally laid claim to it. no right wingers allowed on mars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,043 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Taking fake it till you make it to another level



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,994 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What a pity.

    I was kinda hoping that Musk's Martian colony was a goer and we could ship all the Trump worshippers, Muskovites and other assorted clowns up there so the rest of us could live in peace without their constant bullshit.



    In space no one can hear you scream about tHe lEfT



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Presumably these people watched everything from Alien right up to The Expanse, looked at all that exploitation or corporatised space and went That Looks Great! SpaceX has always been something of a deep conflict for me, being the total space nerd: on the one hand there's no question, Musk's company was transformative & opened up and revolutionised space travel - but he's also part of a privatisation surge where the natural end-point appears to be a real life Weyland-Yutani, bar the bioweapon department.

    There's a big, messy and potentially dangerous issue of Rule of Law once anything resembling an off-planet colony becomes real, and like most things in life the law will lag behind human expansion. Certainly modern science fiction literature like The Expanse (or other novels like Ian McDonald's excellent Luna series, or Andy Weir's less excellent Artemis) can see the pitfalls quite clearly once humanity leaves the convenience of the gravity well and safety nets of codified institutions.

    Total segue on my part, but this idea of a Muskian colony being some libertarian utopia of "hard workers only, no lefties please" is so laughable as to be plan naive. Well, unless you just don't believe in anything resembling basic worker / human rights, but that's another matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,496 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Wait till they get told they have to wear a helmet while going for a walk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Cordell


    But that's precisely how it's going to be. The first off-planet colony will be a mining colony owned by a corporation founded by billionaires like Musk. Or, if you want a more non-fictional example, look at the oil rigs - there's no blue haired weirdos on them moaning about diversity quotas and gender pay gap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,223 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    These people watched Don't Look Up and thought it was an instruction manual.

    These people don't go for walks. They drive.

    Fake it till you make it is usually for people on the way up in their career. Is their a catchphrase to describe those who are sliding down into an abyss of irrelevancy and bankruptcy, like Musk?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Straight to "weirdos". Why even? Sigh. Indeed off world colonies will probably resemble the expansion of the US and all those mining towns that "prospered", so rather than leaping straight into blather about progressiveness like some Pavlovian indulgence think on those.

    Consider basic worker rights that were non-existent in non-fictional mining towns of yore til ... wait for it... the lefties and broadly píssed off agitated for things like weekends, decent pay (or any kind of pay: google "scrip" if you're genuine) and less child labour please.

    That's where colonies will chaff against the mother planet, not some straw-liberal convenient for outrage. Even oil rigs have laws and regulations, earned through strife and agitation. Privatised towns / colonies are ripe for exploitation at a basic, rather depressingly consistent level through history



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i can't find it now, but i tried searching for a youtube clip of that scene from 'alien' where the crew of the nostromo are sitting in the mess bitching about wages, unions, etc...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    They added a tweet view count. How do I see this? I don't see it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Tweet view count will be an interesting one for marking teams that determine which influencers to hire and spent money on.

    They may have been paying young ones and young lads for the amount of followers they had when and the view count was a lot smaller for the paid tweets than they would like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,304 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Sure the bots can add views aswell as followers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Straight to "weirdos". Why even?

    Because on places like oil rigs and martian colonies we can't have them push their ideology which usually result in:

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    not sure if that is tongue in cheek or not...



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Good stuff so you've nothing useful to contribute, just fictional snark. Bare in mind I tried to at least speak genuinely of Martian colonies, and historical precedent of worker struggles and how they might shape future exploration; you're the one banging the drum about nothing remotely realistic - or indeed brought up by me.

    And some here have the cheek to call the Musk-cynical crowd as obsessed? Give me a break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I'm sorry to disappoint, but a martian colony will be more like "you fix this now, I don't care you're 12h hours in your day you don't get a break until this gets fixed or people might die" rather than worker rights.

    As for Musk and a honest debate, we can't have that here, not with so many people unwilling to acknowledge his achievements.



  • Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If that's the way you think a Mars colony will work, I don't think the human race is ready to conquer Mars.

    I would imagine a lot of this will be robot led, and worked out in advance. It's not all going to be some sort of dystopian sci-fi flick.

    Besides which, it's moot. Not going to happen in any of our lifetimes. Musk and the other billionaires should pull the finger out and sort out this planet first.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I've frequently acknowledged his achievements, including a post you quoted and decided to bring out the Strawman liberal again and idiotic snark.

    And if you think overworked, overtired workers repairing vital systems is a good idea then I pray you're never in charge of something critical. Rest is important, exploitation leads to mistakes. As you point out, something going wrong could be fatal. Think about these things for a second before trotting out the blue haired bogeymen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,677 ✭✭✭Cordell


    You seem to think that a pressure going down kind of situation is something that can be pushed out to the next sprint :)

    No man, a colony on Mars will be brutal, and we have enough history of colonization to be sure of that. Even more when it on that rough place.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Clearly Cordell is much better informed than most about the realities of running mining operations on Mars.

    He's watched 'Armageddon' at least five times.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Again just empty snark. You seem to think the concepts of Shifts don't exist?

    By all accounts, you go and show me examples of the ISS crew working excessively long shifts beyond mental endurance as a policy, and I'll take your point. I'll wait.

    I'm not talking rocket science here you know, but basic and sensible worker's rights circa the start of the 20th century. You're the one who went on a tangent about blue hair. This segue is your nonsense.



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