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The Weekend On One With Brendan O'Connor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Funnily enough, I do have the email correspondence, from about five years ago. I've had a quick look, and there's probably about an hour's work involved in redacting, name, all the links, all the references, all the email addresses and more. So to be honest, I can't be arsed.

    Do you have evidence of your claim that the first rule of open relationships (and specifically of Vradakar's open relationship) is that you don't mess around in public?

    That's how this works, right? We all have to produce evidence of everything?

    You didn't so much spell out the question as actually stating a question which wasn't there in the first place. But it seems to be premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of my position. I'm not here to defend Vradakar or tell you what a great guy he is. If there's a thread attacking him for his policy failures and his leadership failures, I'll be first in there to have a go at him. This issue isn't impacted by anything he said about the Shinners. It doesn't matter what he said - his snogging in a nightclub is still an entirely private matter, and of no relevance.

    It didn't seem to come up in Irish media this weekend. It appears to be of very little interest to anyone except your good self. The idea that it will be a significant feature of the next election in two years time is a stretch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It will come back to haunt FG and Leo. I suppose they were short of time, but could have seized the nettle and used the changeover to put up Harris or Coveney as Taoiseach with a reasonable excuse of rotating. Unless it was specified that it had to be Leo in the original coalition agreement. Micheál Martin & FF have come well out of the arrangement so far overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    In other words you have no evidence. Right then, thought so.

    It did actually come up in many places over the weekend, but not sure what that has to do with my post? I also never said anything about it affecting an election result either way - not sure why you’re directing that at me?

    And of course you avoid answering the question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wrong again. I have evidence, but I'm not going to share it with you, because it is confidential.

    Do you have evidence to support your claim about open relationships?

    Do you have evidence to support your claim that 'it came up in many places' over the weekend? Did you mean in the media or not?

    I avoided answering the question because 1) it assumed that I was some kind of loyal defender of Vradakar, and 2) it has no relevance to the discussion about privacy of the nightclub video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    lol - confidential. Good one. 🤣🤣🤣 You have no evidence because it didn’t happen.

    yes it came up in many and opinion piece regarding his re-assumption of the office of the Taoiseach and an interview with Oliver Callan’s regarding his sketch show too. Callan and Leo have previous form - they are far from friends - but Callan said he chose not to cover it in a sketch as it was basically too easy, he did allude to it however in the week before last’s episode as “the thing we’ll pretend didn’t happen”

    Evidence re. Rules of open relationships? Now you are going both facetious and ridiculous. Are you suggesting these are a written set of rules?

    The only one suggesting loyalty to Varadkar is you, I haven’t suggested it, nor did I assume anything. It is however relevant as Leo can’t gave it both ways - he can’t claim privacy when it’s him but throw private matters at others when he feels like it. Or do you fail to see the double standards and the hypocrisy in that?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Are you surprised that matters relating to removal of a video are confidential? I wouldn't have been looking to remove the video if there wasn't confidentiality issues. I have lots of evidence here, but I'm not going to share it wit you.

    'Many an opinion piece'? Don't suppose you'd like to give any examples of these many opinion pieces where it came up? It's a bit strange that the only example you reference is the one that contradicts your position, given that Callan said;

    “Yeah, I just think it would be unfair and we literally made an editorial decision we are not going to do that and there are plenty of political issues, professional issues around that are far more right for comedy than anything like that so we didn’t touch it at all.”

    Vradakar's double-standards and hypocrisy are entirely irrelevant. Privacy rights are not conditional on lack of hypocrisy. He's entitled to privacy of his private life, regardless of how he behaved in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    So Leo is entitled to privacy, but others aren’t. Ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    He has presented as much evidence of this as you have to back up your assertion that Joe Duffy pays "FOCK ALL" tax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Who said that others aren’t entitled to privacy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    The implication from your post is clearly thus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Did you miss the bit where I explicitly said “Privacy rights are not conditional on lack of hypocrisy.”?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    So you condemn Leo on his various use of "private information" as a means to throw mud at hit opponents then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Btw, I wasn't asking you to disvlose the nature or the content of your emails with the social media platform, or indeed the whole thread of same. Just a few screenshots detailing your complaint and a response from them would be sufficient. No need to breach any confidentiality at all by doing that.

    But I'm guessing you don't actually have any of the above, do you? Or feel free to prove me wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Perhaps he'll do that when you provide evidence to back up your comments on the amount of tax paid by Joe Duffy

    But I'm guessing you don't actually have any, do you? Or feel free to prove me wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'll condemn Vradakar for lots of things, his poor leadership of the country (outside of the initial Covid phase, in fairness), his poor leadership in his various Departments, his poor leadership of his own party. I'm not too familiar with either of the incidents you mention, and I couldn't be arsed on reading up on them to allow myself to give a sensible opinion. So I'm not going to comment on those incidents.

    As I previously explained, having looked at the emails, and the various responses (given that it took a fair bit of digging and pestering to get the matter resolved), the effort involved in redacting the personal information, which makes up most of those communications, would be too much. I don't give a toss whether you believe me. It is a sign of the weakness of your overall position that you repeatedly try to score points on an irrelevancy, while making unsubstantiated claims about non-personal matters (like the 'many opinion pieces' you mentioned) yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    "It is a sign of the weakness of your overall position that you repeatedly try to score points on an irrelevancy, while making unsubstantiated claims"

    It's the ButtersSuki way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Lol. 🤣

    That’s actually a compliment coming from you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Sure. I believe you, thousands wouldn’t.

    Asking for evidence of something you claim to have is now an irrelevancy? You’re sounding more like Leo everyday!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Prove me wrong then! I bet you won’t though,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭Brian Scan


    Can you provide evidence of the amount of tax Joe Duffy pays? You have stated on a number of occasions that he pays "FOCK ALL", but have never provided any evidence to prove that you know how much or how little he pays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The question of whether I personally got a video removed from social media is an irrelevancy. You know that SOME people get videos removed from social media. Whether I got one removed or not has zero impact on his privacy. But you’re choosing to make a big deal out of it to distract from the weakness of your position on his privacy.

    Did you find any of those many opinion pieces that covered the issue over the weekend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,385 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Hmmmm. The Brendan O’ Connor Show is kinda getting ignored here …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    You're the one who claimed you got a video removed, all I’m asking is for you to prove it. Pretty simple ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You're the one who claimed know the first rule for Vradakar's open relationship, all I’m asking is for you to prove it. Pretty simple ask.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    No, they’re completely different, as well you know. Norms/rules for open relationships are not documented in print, as well you know. They are discussed verbally between the parties involved.

    Your claimed successful removal of a video would have ample documented evidence, but so far - despite repeated requests - you have failed to produce a shred of evidence for this claim.

    I also didn’t say that rule applied to Leo and his partner, so please stop deliberately misquoting me. I believe I said it is a golden rule in most open relationships.

    You asked for a link where the video was mentioned from last weekend:

    There are many others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So when you come up with reasons for not sharing evidence, that's all fine and dandy, but when I come up with reasons for not sharing evidence, I'm 'failing to produce a shred of evidence'. Do you see the double-standard and hypocrisy here? Where's your evidence about the tax that Joe Duffy doesn't pay?

    'Many others'? Are you sure now? There was the FT and the Guardian article, both a week or two behind current developments in Ireland. Did it come up in any Irish media last weeked?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    It’s not a double standard because they’re completely different. What do you want me to do - have those I know who are in open relationships sign affidavits for you confirming what I’ve said? You’re the one who claimed to have had a video removed and evidence of same - that’s completely different to my assertion and you know it, and yet you fail to produce it.

    Yes, it was also in the Sunday Business Post but the article is behind a paywall and I don’t have the print copy to hand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Dreamweapon


    Please take this conversation to PM's. No one cares in your point scoring off each other.

    I'm a Rock n Roll Amputation



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,069 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Fair point. I’ll leave Butters to have the last word. It seems like privacy, whether for Vradakar or me, is an alien concept for him.



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