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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2022/2023 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Yes, no shortwave orgy on the pub run! I think there's still plenty of road to run befkee we know what next weekend will look like!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    It looks like the cold GFS op run for Xmas day has some support in the ensembles. Will see what tomorrow's rollercoaster brings

    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I've been watching these charts during events with a few years now and never have I seen such flipflopping. Almost every run has an entirely different outcome for us than the last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


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    GFS picked up todays frosted countryside as snow cover? 😮



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 646 ✭✭✭Robwindstorm


    Do weather boardsies ever sleep, it reminds me of the film 'Leon' where the hitman sleeps on the chair with a gun in one hand and a glass of milk in the other with his cactus plant on the window. I can see Danno, Gonzo and Kermit like that in case they miss a snowflake. The Christmas charts seem all over the place with anything from storms to snow and frost on the table.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Er, em, model concensus on a Christmas day freeze up this morning, no? Certainly gfs and gem have us in the freezer and ecm is trending that way to my eyes....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    850 charts

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    Not to mention the great Cork Christmas Eve Blizzard!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭glightning


    Hmm. Not sure. Feel that the chances of a White Christmas are slipping away. GFS Op was one of the coldest members in the ENS and the mean 850mb temp was around -3c. Best you could hope for on that run if the op actually came off is a frosty morning which would be better than nothing. As we've seen in the recent cold spell, the warm seas are heavily affecting the ability for showers to be of snow. The only showers I saw here inland in NI over the past two weeks were of light rain surprisingly when 850 temps were below -7c. The mountains didn't even get snow cover. Heavier precip (which we didn't get) would probably have helped though.

    ECM doesn't look that great to me. Only Scotland gets any decent cold, and the whole pattern is moving east, so I only expect a cooler St.Stephen's Day from that with it quickly becoming milder again. Xmas day looks coolish and wet.

    GEM is the best of the bunch this morning, giving us a cool or cold Xmas day but hard to say what the snow chances are given the wind direction and also the warm seas issue. I personally don't rate the model much either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    They are all very similar to last night's GFS 18Z, which itself was very cold for Christmas Eve into St Stephens Day. I am surprised that they have all followed this line at once. GFS run still not massively supported in its own ensembles but more members have followed it since 18z. Awaiting the ECM but the GEM is not really supported at all, which must be feeding into MTs milder forecast


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    The UKMO meanwhile, is not really buying into much cold

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    Admittedly, these op runs are beginning to grate a little. The fluctuation between runs is frustrating. The overall trend is for it to turn cooler next week but not exceptionally cold.

    www.weatheire.com



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    yeah I think it's safe to presume next week will turn cooler but nothing like the cold spell we've just had. All the operational runs fliping from one extreme cold or warm run to another and back again is impossible to predict anything and so unreliable.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 6z generally stays mildish, no real cold on it. I think it's becoming clearer next week is going to be a fairly standard week and mostly mild.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭Condor24


    Disappointing on one hand, but in a busy travel week, especially after three years of confinement at Christmas, people *should* be able to get where they need to go without weather issues. Bring on January.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Forget the rest of the this month for any proper cold. Eyes on Jan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,348 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Don't think we can say that with certainty yet but its trending that way. Either way though, in terms of snow, as the last 10 days have shown, embedded cold may be overrated! This is the chart from Xmas 2004 that gave many of us a White Christmas. Something like this is still possible....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Looking at the GFS in isolation, our Christmas weather is far from nailed on.

    Looking at the 06z ensembles for the GFS, the margins between a relatively mild Christmas and a very cold one are finite. Cold air is sitting just north of Ireland from the 23rd on most of the 30 members. There is high pressure to the west of the Azores and over Greenland and lows are squeezing out of Newfoundland straight across the Atlantic.

    The 06Z for Christmas Eve into Christmas Day has lower mean temps than the 0Z. The other main difference is of course that the op run is a milder solution this time. The colder members seems to be still there. Looking at the 30 of them for Christmas Day it's:

    MILD (Higher than IMT) 6

    Cool (IMT 6c) 12

    Colder (lower than IMT) 12

    The NAO Index also points to how the Atlantic could become mobile or less so. Great uncertainty

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    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    The uncertainty is unbelievable though, the amount of flip flopping the last fortnight has been nuts!

    you’d see less flip flops at a beach in Spain in July!

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Great uncertainty ahead but I think overall we are drifting further and further away from a significant cold snap or spell between now and Christmas period. The GFS 6z and it's set of ensembles definitely look that bit milder overall. The trend of a cold spell between the 21st and 26th is almost eliminated, as the period of 22nd to 25th has now returned the ensemble mean to average. There is still a slightly cooler than average signal from the 26th to 28th of December but it's so weakly cooler than normal it's nothing to get excited about.

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    The cooler than average signal between the 21st and 26th of December on the ECM ensembles has also being completely eliminated so we have basically lost the trend for a cold snap/spell other than maybe some very brief cooling for a day or so here and there.

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    While we have lost the trend for a cold spell between now and New Years Eve, there is still a massive amount of scatter in the ensembles that anything is still possible so I wouldn't bin the idea of cold between now and New Year's Eve but the fact that we lost the overall trend that we had up to yesterday evening, isn't a good sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    The GEM has been doing well of late, that's not to say it is right time. I suppose the warm sea issue might have been overcome if we had greater instability and lower thickness. It may as you indicate be just cold and wet over Christmas, but at least we are in with some chance of wintry conditions during Christmas for once.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    The rest of this month looks like typical December weather on the ground with everything thrown in. Not any particular weather type taking over. Mild days, cold days, rain,wind, wintry showers ,probably a bit of frost, possible snow risk at times for some. A free for all. It's after this period that hopefully things will start to look better on the models.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    There is one big flip left in the models. Maybe this evening or tomorrow morn. I think they are overplaying mobility of the Atlantic when we are far away from notable negative NAO territory. I do think Sunday's system, until fully resolved in terms of its interaction with the euro and greenland highs, will dictate what happens next week and particularly at Christmas.

    www.weatheire.com



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,605 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Some bad news regarding January, If, as some forecasts are saying, the Stratospheric and Trop' vortex couple then it's not a great sign for January. This would tally with some seasonal forecast of a front loaded winter. It will be very interesting to see if the next ECM long range update keeps the blocking signal going into January. In the meantime, as you say, we could possibly get some of snow in the run up to Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,705 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    I think if we get a cold spell in Jan it would be during the first half of the month. Haven't had a proper cold spell second half of Jan in yrs. If its to be a front loaded winter ,hopefully we still have some time on our side regarding first half of Jan.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The ECM long range forcast has been updated https://www.ecmwf.int/

    it does look like we lose the blocking signal into the second half of January with a mild trend throughout January. Of course this could look all very different when things get updated again on Tuesday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Looking at the 12z output, all I can say is that Euro high is an absolute killer for any push of cold from the north from Dec 23 through Christmas. Knocking on the door but not being allowed in. The Irish snow shield is firmly up.

    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Latest GFS going for a dump of snow in the NW&N from the 23rd. Gfs has 37cm falling here on Friday evening alone so it must be on the beer early.

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    Still about for Christmas Day

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Hopefully the GEM and UKMO are on the right track, Euro high scuppers the uppers but at least the blocking is there.

    GFS loses the blocking signal completely and has the Atlantic raging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭esposito


    Of course it does. GFS has a bias towards the Atlantic and dartboard lows. Crazy Model.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The 12Z GFS mean for Christmas Day is out and it is a lot colder than the 06z mean.

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    www.weatheire.com



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM delivers a blowtorch from Sunday night through Christmas. Temperatures in the double figures for the majority of next week including Christmas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Met Éireann long range

    MONTHLY FORECAST, ISSUED FRIDAY 16 DECEMBER 2022

    Week 1 (Monday 19 December to Sunday 25 December)

    After largely dry and settled conditions recently, Ireland’s weather will be turning much more changeable for Week 1. Rainfall will increase marginally above average, with the wettest conditions likely in the south of the country. Temperatures will remain somewhat below average


    Week 2 (Monday 26 December to Sunday 01 January)

    Week 2 is likely to be quite typical for late December, although temperatures are likely to remain below average across the country. Precipitation will be fairly typical overall, possibly turning a bit drier in the north and west and a bit wetter in the south and east.


    Week 3 (Monday 02 January to Sunday 08 January)

    Uncertainty increases for Week 3. Current indications are that it will turn relatively settled with pressure increasing marginally above average. Precipitation and temperatures are each forecast to be close to typical levels for early January


    Week 4 (Monday 09 January to Sunday 15 January)

    Considerable uncertainty remains for Week 4. Early indications are that conditions will be fairly typical for the time of year with approximately average temperatures and precipitation.

    www.weatheire.com



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