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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no, we re still heavily reliant on fossil fuels, and wholesale markets are based on gas prices, including renewables, so....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    You understand we're subject to regional and global wholesale markets, right, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Once the Celtic interconnector comes online, we'll have 20-25% of our present grid demand able to be served by interconnection. Our energy growth will likely see that fall to 15-20% over the next few years. I'm not aware of any major interconnector in the pipeline to significantly increase beyond that.

    If we did increase beyond that, then you run into exactly the same risk that you claim makes nuclear unworkable: that one power source tripping out will cause too significant a drop on the grid to be manageable.

    Hauling electricity over long distances also incurs losses. Otherwise you'd have a few central super stations on every grid instead of how pretty much every grid is constructed with multiple, relatively smaller, generators dispersed throughout the grid and located nearest the points of use like cities and industrial zones.

    And then there's the same fundamental question of cost - if the Spanish and French grids have to be able to carry our (present day) 7GW+ demand alongside their own, who pays for those grid reinforcement works? And who pays to reinforce our grid to carry the tens of MW worth of load of France and Spain in reverse? And that's before you've even installed the excess turbines required at either side.



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We are always warned about scams when people are trying to push products and services at you. This whole thing has all those hallmarks, but on an institutional scale. I wouldn’t get it done now even it were completely free, having read about some of the experiences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yup, nuclear clearly needs to be seriously considered, but we cant get passed that one, so importing it is currently the only way.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    We might not know exactly what source is being exported or imported through those extension leads, but when year on year the top exporters are those with nuclear I would not see that as just a coincidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    very true, we clearly need nuclear, but dont be surprised if it never happens!

    ...but if we rapidly increase off shore wind capacity, we might just escape black out problems, but dont be surprised if that also doesnt happen!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The SEAI Energy In Ireland 2022 ,SEAI are calling for immediate action, including

    • More energy storage and electricity interconnection
    • Smarter travel including walking, cycling and take public transport coupled with a decrease in petrol and diesel using vehicles
    • Deployment of district heating networks at scale to replace gas and oil use for heating
    • More electric vehicles, upgrades of 500,000 homes to at least B2 energy rating and more heat pumps in place of oil and gas boilers.
    • Develop further onshore and offshore wind and solar

    I'm still going through the report, its 160 pages and goes into a massive amount of detail"🤣


    The same SEAi (directed by the green party)who have made a hames of the retrofit scheme, the same SEAI who have only 20 approved companies to retrofit 500,000 homes in ten years, grow the hell up, the SEAI/Green party are not fit for purpose, they only look after the "Green Circle" but joe citizen gets ripped off.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40990973.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    think its very unfair to completely blame seai, you can see the governments overall plans simply wont work, governments are going to have to step up to it, and borrow significantly, in order to achieve these goals, the overall aim of taxing and indebting the bollcoks out of citizens is never going to work, ever!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    From: Laois getting a new bus service with Dublin Kilkenny link - Laois Live (leinsterexpress.ie)

    The absolute state of this - firing money at a bus to:

    "This review identified that since its introduction in 2017 there has been poor usage levels of the service in both directions. Since launching the service has carried an average of only 12 passengers on each bus journey. This figure reduced to 6 passengers on average during the height of the COVID pandemic. Post pandemic, patronage recovered to 9 passengers on average in each direction and has remained at that level," it said.

    what wastage.

    Ever wonder why nobody is using the service?

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    Trying to get into work in Athy for 8am or 9am start? The bus will have you there at 6.35am or you can wait and arrive late in style at 10.05am.

    Kilkenny is only slightly better served - you'll be late by ten to fifteen minutes for your 8am start (if the bus arrives on time).

    If this is the way Greens plan "sustainable transport" then I shudder to think of the clusterfcuk that a complicated project such as offshore wind will be under their watch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    modern society is virtually completely dependent on the private car, moving more over to public transport simply wont work, unless other, radical polices are implemented along side the increase in public transport, such as a significant reduction in the working week etc, without a reduction in income, so....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    You are correct, I have amended my post, the SEAI are only following orders from the Green Party, they own this mess 100%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    also very unfair to completely blame the greens also, but we all know they live in la la land anyway....

    this has been going on for years, if not decades, so, many governments....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Not really, they have undue influence over the other gobshytes who are desperate to remain in power. If the greens are gone, some sanity may prevail.The greens are going to run this country into the ground and impoverish generations to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hahaha, yea, thats it! ...and the other parties arent being influenced and advised by other entities such as the ipcc etc etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    In the current time where diesel and petrol are so expensive, attractive bus schedules should be used to encourage commuters out of their cars. However, we see from yet another example I linked to that this cannot happen as the timetables are utter bollix.

    We now have a situation where green policies are actively gouging motorists via carbon taxes, planned congestion charges, increased parking charges and so forth... and a lot of this money is then handed over to a small few operators to run ghost busses.

    What is happening here is huge annual fees handed over to an operator to run a single bus with a couple of rostered drivers and they basically drive one bus in a loop. Kilkenny -> Carlow -> Athy -> Carlow -> Kilkenny four times a day and then park it up for the night and repeat the process again tomorrow.

    Nobody benefits from this apart from the operator and a small handful of employees on minimum wage. In a years time there will still be only 9 passengers on average using this service - most of them with a travel pass card. It would probably be cheaper to taxi the nine passengers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...our political institutions are seriously struggling with this one, theyve no idea how to approach the bigger picture, they dont even see it, i wouldnt overly worry about it, there ll be a major panic in time when this is realised....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    From RTE,

    "It’s not just food that families are struggling with, it’s the cold too. Recently the school received a donation of coal from a local business.

    "We had 40 bags of coal delivered to the school and parents bit the hand off us to get it," the principal said.

    "We have an excellent relationship with our parents and they know that they can come to us in privacy to ask for help," the principal added.

    The school regularly delivers food parcels to the many needy families that it serves and it delivers them discretely.

    For that same reason - out of respect to the families it serves - the school does not wish to be named in this article.

    "Our families are under serious pressure. They are already struggling to put food on the table, to put the heating on," the principal said.

    The principal explains that now, on top of all that, families are desperately trying to come up with savings which will enable them to buy things like gifts for their children, so that they can enjoy Christmas like any other child."


    Dickenseian conditions for Irish school children and yet we had greenies in raptures when the cost of fuel went up(smugly told us we have to get the heat pumps) now we have a generation receiving handouts of food and fuel from the school, you could'nt make it up.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/1215/1342132-holiday-hunger/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,983 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Absolutely agree with you. If an Air to Water Pump was free, there is no way I would take it. Crazy running costs, and unreliable to boot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭The Real President Trump


    Exactly, the retrofit is driven by the ideology of heatpumps.

    Now that is an absolutely catastrophic flaw

    If your house is sufficiently insulated and draught proof you could heat it any way you want because the heat demand would be so low.

    You don't need to rip out perfectly good and efficient systems that in itself is a resource crime(tm)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    The other parties are first and foremost being influenced by the greens to take the extreme positions on every green policy or risk the greens pulling the whole shebang down,we have the grotesque situation of a party with less than 5% of first preferences wagging the dog.Get rid of them and we can only be the better for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭The Real President Trump


    We have interconnectors because the wind is unreliable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sorry, but thats la la land stuff, again, our governments are bound by institutional agreements and laws, so it doesnt matter who goes in or out of government, thats the gig.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 140 ✭✭The Real President Trump


    Interestingly this sounds exactly how Dacor said it

    I smell a sock account



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Sure we are in La la land with the greens(Ryan et al)😂any how its how policies/changes are delivered, bring the people with you, not just the select few like the Greens do, any party in this country could make a better fist of it than the greens.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its might be an idea for you or your relations to post up on the renewable energies forum, specifically the heat pump thread. Loads of folks there getting guidance from other posters on how to adjust their systems. Higher than expected costs could simply be a result of an incorrect setting so its worth checking out




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I was quoting his post.Below was my post.

    The same SEAi who have made a hames of the retrofit scheme, the same SEAI who have only 20 approved companies to retrofit 500,000 homes in ten years, grow the hell up, the SEAI are not fit for purpose, they only look after the "Green Circle" but joe citizen gets ripped off.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40990973.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,770 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    so if we send the greens to the opposition, all the environmental agreements go out the window, yea?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Why would an approved contractor setup the system incorrectly.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tokyo have made the installation of solar panels mandatory on almost all new homes. Something like this would go a long way towards helping us achieve renewable energy targets, reduced emissions and help homeowners reduce costs in the long term




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