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EX FG voters, why have you stopped supporting them?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Another 80,000 are now going to qualify for fuel allowance. Great to know that those earning e10.50 an hour, dont struggle with Bill's...

    Many say they will continue to vote FG. Even though they have gone full left wing... just giving them carte blanche to go on their pro welfare bonanza...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭amacca


    And rightly so imo


    One of the conditions of voting should be you have to live in the consequences of your vote


    I'd find it highly disquieting that people not resident in a country could dictate in any way how its run



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,126 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    This thread continues to be hugely entertaining. There are loads of people lining up to tell us why they won't vote for FG again, yet, curiously, FG are well ahead of their general election performance. Does that mean that FG have been picking up more voters than the 3% they gained to counterbalance all those who are not voting for them again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    I would say I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative. FG usually hit that sweet spot but now they seem to be on the run with SF and joining the money grows on trees brigade. I think I will probably throw them a few votes - but would prefer different leadership. Not a Leo fan tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Leo is taking over as taoiseach at the worst possible time, he are heading for a global recession in 2023 which will bring higher unemployment not just in blue collar jobs in the SME sector in Ireland, but white collar jobs at a lot of big tech companies and investment banks. Corporation tax will fall , income tax from the white collar high paid jobs will fall and unemployment benefits will rise which will dent our balance sheet big time. Usually people up sticks and left to Australia Canada etc, but they are all in worse states than us right now and as this ill be a global recessions I don't think we will see the mass exodus like in 2008, this will but even more strain on the public finances.

    Leo will have a tough job as he (FG), Greens and Fianna Fail will be blamed just like Fianna Fail was after the 2008 crash.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    We are in the age of Big Government, you can see yourself the amount of people/businesses that are increasingly becoming dependent on the State. The push to control speech, the push to enter the classrooms with ideology. It wouldn't surprise me if the EU were already building a Digital Currency.

    It's happening in many countries. It's why we are witnessing so much political turbulence/upheaval, not every population of people are up for this over reach!

    Fg voters are most likely to reject this, especially the Fg voters who are not entrenched in parochial politics or have historical loyalties to the party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    This is it for me. The never ending March of the nanny state. Interfering in each and every aspect of our lives. The covid farce really was the epitome of this for me. Climate mania just but another.

    Everything is catastrophised to death- meaning the never ending cry of “we need more legislation to deal with this”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,273 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    In Ireland, the push is to get ideology - Catholic ideology - *out* of classrooms not get any in to them.

    I think you read too much crap online



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,146 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes, this is needed. Ireland is crying out for a proper conservative (fiscally) party.

    In fairness, in the last few years of FG the marginal tax rate has been reduced at least once and the threshold increased a few times from 33 odd k to 40k next year.

    That being said, I paid 33% effective tax rate this year. I prefer this calculation as it removes obfuscation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    The 40k isnt even indexed linked for inflation. Fg have mentioned this themselves. Yes the threshold to hit it was hiked a reasonable amount this budget... this country is great for refugees, maybe Ukrainians, I'm alright Jack's. Its brutal if yy3 bank of many and daddy cant support you and or you are young to youngish adult in particular... if I had kids, I'd be telling them to get out of here for a few years after college, broaden the horizons the main benefit, but the very poor wages in many fields, high marginal rate of tax, appalling housing, transport. Shambles if you work in HSE etc on front line, would be other valid points...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,146 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Agree for sure. I am staunchly opposed to any form of voting for those who dont have to live with it. Especially given the ratio of Irish in Ireland to Irish around the world. The expats would control everything whilst not living here!

    I hate this sort of idea tbh. I'm not a bank of mummy and daddy person, I'm a college dropout with autism. Yet I managed to work my way up. I'm nothing special, if I can do it anyone can.

    We don't have a housing crisis, we have a crisis of government market distortion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner



    I don't think you can accuse anyone of reading too much crap online.

    Parents are the only people who should be allowed to decide what ideology their kids are exposed to...you'd have thought Irish people would understand that more than anyone.

    Funnily enough, try getting a child into a Catholic school anywhere in the country nowadays. They are absolutely rammed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,273 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I see you are OK with one ideology and just dislike others then.

    Only schools in my area that have space are the Catholic ones. But schools are generally rammed everywhere and most places offer no choice at all, particularly at Primary.

    If you are against ideology in schools you have to be against that too. Are you?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'd say that this forum is thankfully highly unrepresentative of Irish people as a whole.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I see you are off trying to put words in my mouth...I have already said, it is parents who should decide what ideology is taught to their kids!! Too many nutters are always trying to save the souls of others!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Are you kidding! The push is to replace it with woke climate open borders 200 gender nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,273 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So you're a hypocrite who is ok with ideology you personally like being taught, then.

    Parents in most of the country have no choice over Catholic ideology being taught.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,521 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    It's like taking to a brick wall here!!

    I was very clear in what I said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,273 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Really can’t stand Varadkar now and the direction he has brought FG. As for the video antics in Gran Canaria- sure it’s his private life but he’s a public figure in a very senior position. This falls well short of any public standards I’d expect. I think it says a lot about him and his standards- he could easily have done it in private. A bit of decorum is still admirable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I hope so, but in case there is any ambiguity I'll repeat myself.


    Any grown adult who wishes to stand in front of a class room of boys and try to convince them they are sinners or are toxic, should be kept as far away from children as humanly possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Once a person is beholden to the state fur everything- they are much easier to control. Reduce the taxes on work and fuels instead but that’s not in line with the nanny state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,273 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So you *are* in favour of complete and total removal of religious influence and control from education then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Of course.

    Do you believe young boys should be taught that they are toxic in schools?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,146 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Agree. There should not be any indoctrination allowed in schools. Be that catholic, protestant, muslim, flying spaghetti monster, transgenderism, wokeism etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,273 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That's odd, because initially you were in favour or parents choosing and then bigged up how many had "chosen" it (albeit most don't actually have a choice)...

    And if you think young boys are being taught that they are toxic in schools - you are reading too much crap online. Back to my initial point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I have young boys in my family. I know exactly what they are being taught in school.

    So, I'll ask again....do you think young boys should be taught they are toxic in schools?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭JPCN1



    Agree with all of this except his handling of Covid. He started well and then hid behind the CMO.He should have been heaved after the disastrous bye election.

    Where they go next is the question. Coveney more of the same, if not worse. None of the front liners really inspire confidence with the possible exception of Paschal. Jennifer Carroll McNeill perhaps...



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