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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2022/2023 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭icesnowfrost


    Guys guys relax it’s hardly a downgrade because of one run and it’s cold up to the 15th. It’s going to take more than one slightly bad run to be a decider.

    let’s see over the next 24hrs.



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    12Z ensembles for 850 temps. Goes bonkers after the 12th. Anything could happen!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    The low pressure around the 12th is the key factor with the divergence in the GFS and GEM solutions. Both fairly similar at +144 but you can see at +192 the GFS has blown the low up and keeps it out in the Atlantic while the GEM has it slide under us from the south pulling in that colder air.

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    UKMO and ICON seem set to go the same way as the GEM so the ECM will be interesting.


    *disclaimer I have no idea what I'm talking about so don't read too much into my posts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    You only recently said Sunday Night it would be 10°c! Have you changed your mind? Will you suddenly change your mind about this again?


    That glass ball you're using for your predictions is off a bit I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Current cold spell ends Monday into Tuesday according to the latest ECM. Models still cannot get a grasp on that Atlantic low. Will see if ensembles support the op run.

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    www.weatheire.com



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Briefly perhaps on northern hills and mountains. Ecm follows that possibility MT mentioned in his forecast this morning. That said, I would guess that the op run is not matched by the mean in the ensembles when they come out soon.

    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭Darwin


    Rain according to the ECM this evening, uppers are too mild. Clearly the models are having trouble resolving what this Azores Low is going to do, although the agreement towards milder solutions from ECM and UKMO is notable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Oh Dear. No sugarcoating it, the latest ECM is very disappointing. I would love for the latest ECM to be wrong but i suspect this won't be outlier unlike the run this morning.

    However as long as the vortex remains on holidays towards Asia, even if the latest ECM is correct, we may get further cold later on. As i've mentioned previously even winters that stand out for their cold and snow had milder interruptions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    I don't think we will know what's going to happen for another few days. All the models are struggling with the Azores low but it's making great model watching and I'm looking forwards to the ups and down of the next few days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    I like your enthusiasm and optimism, but I think based on this evenings run, that pesky Azores Low is going to ruin everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    It was the same a few days ago! Plenty of flipping and flopping to go!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,606 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    You could be right, but when the UKMO AND ECM converge on a similar solution at this timeframe it's not a great sign. You would think the other models will follow it. I would love if there was a sudden flip back to the cold winning out, but the odds are that there will be a milder outcome- hopefully it proves to be only temporary!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,959 ✭✭✭✭Villain


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    Latest ECM ensembles show a big increase in the number of milder members beyond the 12th but a whole lot of options there so really impossible to forecast beyond Monday at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    But pauldry from the internet said its all over on the 14th til Jan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,753 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    More runs needed really, a total flip at 144 hours and before even by the ECM compared to this morning. FI really is at about 80-90Hrs atm. Really all depends on that low, and I personally think the models are forecasting it to be stronger then it actually is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


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    ECM op certainly one of the Milder solutions from the 13th onwards.

    Maybe so but it's still 6 days away. Even if this busts were in a lovely position for a re load of cold later in the month. My bet is on a Scandi high in the final third of the month and a white Christmas 😁



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I've a feeling we will get a reload at some point over the final 10 days of the month and if we do I do hope it's either a very unstable northerly or a siberian express and not another dry and frosty cold spell. The current cold spell is nice and seasonal but I feel we would all much rather a few days of streamers instead. If the ECM and the milder solutions for Monday/Tuesday is correct, I hope it provides us with a nice reset and we can try again around Christmas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 333 ✭✭ascophyllum


    Back in business with the GFS 6z, the low heads north before sliding east under the block, lol fully expecting the next run to throw up another scenario again, this is far from resolved I'd say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Tonight's GFS 18z rolling out and our cold block holds the Azores storm out in the mid-Atlantic around 220hrs out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭John.Icy


    18z GFS is no ECM 12z anyway. This little spin off low which is gaining some momentum plays ball and does not barrel into us. So cool-cold wins out. By Day 10 the lack of heights to our north look to have the death knells ringing for this cold phase - though so far out not worth a second look.

    You'd wonder how late in the day this is gonna make it in terms of resolution? There's no way this is suddenly resolved with cross-model support by tomorrow...surely. Especially if we are dealing with both a big Azores LP and a spin off.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭arctictree


    GFS 18z has flipped things around again. Looks like the long cold spell is back on according to the OP run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    Much better from the 18z GFS. Secondary low slides under and sets up an easterly/north easterly. Possibly a cold outlier but still all to play for.

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    Not bad..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭esposito


    But can the 18z pub run be trusted? I certainly don’t trust it.

    Hoping the Azores low/ spin-off low either fizzles out or slides past France. Every chance we won’t know for sure till Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    I'll take perturbation 24 please


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    Just went through the 30 possible solutions in the GFS 18Z ensembles up to about 184 hours and a milder outcome from next Tuesday is favoured by about 3 to 1 with the Atlantic low introducing milder air from the southwest. Probably a reverse of what the model was showing last night. Would expect the mean for the 18z GFS to be milder than the operational run.

    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭WolfeEire
    Clare (430ft asl)


    The Met Éireann monthly outlook is unusually but understandably devoid of specifics on the outlook from next week onwards. The reference to "snow or rain" next week is about right. Who knows 😄

    MONTHLY FORECAST, ISSUED TUESDAY 06 DECEMBER 2022

    Week 1 (Friday 09 December to Thursday 15 December)

    A very cold but dry signal dominates the forecast for the week beginning Friday 9th. A low pressure anomaly from the south, not associated with frontal passages, may increase risk of showers on the Irish Sea. Sea surface temperatures remain elevated increasing convection on coasts. Risk of heavy showers with hail making inroads on to coasts.

    Week 2 (Friday 16 December to Thursday 22 December)


    A weak low pressure signal for week two brings a slightly elevated risk of rain or snow. A cold anomaly might suggest frozen precipitation is likely, particularly over hills and mountains.


    Week 3 (Friday 23 December to Thursday 29 December)

    Weak high pressure signal from the north for week three with associated low precipitation levels. Signal remains on the cold side of normal but not dramatically so.


    Week 4 (Friday 30 December to Thursday 05 January)

    Weak high pressure signal for week four with associated low precipitation levels. Climatological norms forecast otherwise.

    www.weatheire.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 TeaCup2


    Very wishy washy! All up in the air 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭Tom Cruises Left Nut


    Much better ECM at 168 this morning

    Let's see what the ensembles look like



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