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Journalism and Cycling 2: the difficult second album

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  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The updated Cork Transport Strategy was released a few months ago and today the Limerick one has just been released. Looking through the Limerick one gives a good idea of how the Galway transport strategy might be rejigged when that gets released in Q3 next year.

    The full document is available at

    Summary

    The core measures are

    • Improved frequency of public transport services to regeneration areas;
    • The provision of safe and secure cycling facilities;
    • The provision of pedestrian linkages to surrounding areas;
    • Public realm improvements;
    • Reducing the need to own a car and car dominance
    • and Managing the movement of Heavy Goods Vehicles

    Current mode share breaks down as follows with the planned shares listed also

    • Public transport - 4% grow to 13%
    • Walking - 23% grow to 33%
    • Cycling - 3% grow to 10-15%
    • Car - 70% reduce to 41%

    The mode share %'s for PT and cars are not called out the same way so its hard to say what the post implementation % is aimed to be e.g. for bus it states "156% increase in AM peak bus passengers between 2016 & 2040". There are also totals for each of the above called out in various sections which conflict so the %'s are a bit of a mess to be honest but the overall picture is clear regardless of which source in the doc you pick, cars are getting squeezed out and sustainable modes are getting prioritised.

    Walking

    • Priority at junctions
    • Increased permeability
    • Improved accessibility measures in line with universal access standards
    • Multiple audits of areas over the lifetime of the strategy to identify further opportunities for improvement
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    Cycling

    • Bike lane network consisting of primary, secondary and feeder lanes with quality & safety level decreasing the further you move off primary
    • Expanded bike share scheme
    • Priority at traffic signals
    • Increase in parking provision
    • Inter-urban and greenway networks completed
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    Public Transport

    Bus

    • 4 P&R locations proposed(Ennis rd, M20 raheen, N24 Ballysimon & M7 Mackey)
    • Bus connects
    • Roll out priority measures at multiple junctions
    • Higher frequency
    • More routes
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    Rail

    • Dual tracking between colbert & limerick junction
    • upgrade Ballycar line
    • Improve commuter rail
    • New stations at Moyross and Ballysimon
    • Increase frequency
    • Upgrade existing stations
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    Cars

    In terms of demand management for cars, theres a lot planned

    • New developments, removal of parking requirements for near city and significantly reduced requirements for parking provision in suburbs
    • Maximum parking provision will be applied in future
    • Undeveloped residential on well served routes must be high density with low parking provision
    • car-free area within 800m of Limerick city center
    • A steady reduction in on-street parking until it is no longer provided (with a few exceptions e.g. blue badge spaces)
    • Increase parking costs
    • Increase costs of parking permits
    • Alternatives to car ownership e.g. bike share, car clubs, bike storage, PT provision, P&R's
    • Traffic signal optimization towards walking, cycling & PT and lower priority for main car lanes
    • If the above does not lead to a significant modal shift congestion charges will be brought in to further discourage the use of cars in the city
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    One of the main drivers behind the measures planned is the strategy is now required to meet the national emissions reduction target of 50% emissions by 2030. The document as it stands states it can achieve a 35% reduction. It lists 3 options to achieve the last 15%

    • Increase fuel prices to discourage the use of petrol/diesel
      • Ruled out as not feasible as it is controlled at a national level
    • Increase the amount of emission free vehicles (cars & LGV & HGV) to include battery and hydrogen
      • Possible to do by working with the likes of delivery stakeholders and setting up hubs for last mile low emission delivery modes
      • Not likely to achieve the desired reduction though
    • Implement a congestion charge/low emission zone/tolls
      • A feasible option which can significantly reduce the volume of emissions
      • Not for implementation, yet, but not ruled out for later application

    More Pretty pictures

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    There's loads I haven't covered and its about 150 pages long so feel free to waste a morning going through it yourselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,366 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I assume this is down to the fact that it might inconvenience motorists? Or are councils too busy?



  • Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Incompetence plays a big part in it. I can think of 4 different things in the last 2 years we've (louth/drogheda) have not got funding for because the CC submitted bad applications for funding or failed to draw them down. The most recent for funding for sports clubs, they were told their application was rubbish and not good enough as to the reason why funding for the sports clubs would not be forthcoming. 100's of thousands of euro were involved based on what other counties were getting. Now if I'd had that happen to me in my job, my feet wouldn't touch ground on the way out.

    Another was 200k to redo a pathway along the river, sitting there waiting to be claimed and lost in the end iicr. Local TD got the run around from the CC on 3 occasions and had to go the minister to get answers.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I look 53 and would probably have a pissed off partner if they knew the costs of cycling. In reality, it reads like a desperate whip around the office for a made up story to fill the column inches.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,933 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    its an investment in yourself

    think of the savings in medical bills as you age


    but you do need a balance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭wheelo01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,420 ✭✭✭cletus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,677 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Also not 53, and not subbing to read the full article! If she knew how much I spent she'd probably be pissed off, but I generally do my share of parent cabs!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,736 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i keep saying - if you think your partner would not like knowing how much you're spending on your hobby, get them interested in horseriding.

    my wife's spend is 6k a year just on livery fees. she spends more in a year than i've probably spent on cycling in ten years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,162 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I'd be wary of how much of what is actually drawn down is for actual active travel.

    I was over the past six months in detailed discussions with a roads engineer about land acquisition as part of regional road safety audit driven improvement along with a school car park.

    From talking to other road engineers in other councils I knew Local Authorities don't pay for school car parks (I'm not sure of the sums for car park element but that alone was circa €250k in construction costs) so I asked him how he was going to get it funded. He said he was hopeful of getting it in under an active travel scheme.

    Sure enough the final drawings had 10 bike stands included and zero chance of anyone using them.

    Now the project won't go anywhere soon but I was a bit taken aback with the attitude to active travel funding as a means of getting a car park built

    The funny thing is a relatively small investment in increasing buses along with speed reduction works on regional road would probably make the problem go away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,366 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    And how much of it is wasted too? This type of thing seems to have cropped up in the last couple of years in Dublin, such as the bike parking below near me back home in Coolock

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    No one in their right mind would park a bike there and it is not convenient to anything. I know it's pretty tiny in the grand scheme of things but money and labour was actually wasted on this.



  • Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Same up my way, they are in some crazy places. At least those appear to have the nuts/bolts cemented over. They left them exposed here. I expect a few more in the coming weeks to get budget spent. Though traffic islands where nobody would ever think or want to cross a road appear to be flavour of the month for that these days.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,736 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think the problem is that to effect real change takes longer than the budget allocations allowed. if the streets aren't already wide enough to put in kerb protected lanes, etc., all they can do is something superficial, as a complete remodelling will take too long to avail of the budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,985 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I have to confess that I had the same reaction when I saw them putting in these bike stands on Clareville Road in Harolds Cross, in the middle of the houses, a good bit away from the shops and the school. But as you can see on Google Streetview, the bike stands are well used - not sure by who, mind you. https://goo.gl/maps/CLb38bMPac7RGf5P6



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,025 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Pretty much what I was saying. A friend used to work in the Star during college and they'd have a call around the office to get stories in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,420 ✭✭✭cletus


    Sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you meant that just this one was made up, because they were short of real help letters. Carry on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭JMcL


    The stop's only 200m walk. It's been a while since I lived in that neck of the woods, but Howth excepted, I don't remember many "substantial hills" around there - pancakes would spring more to mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    It's also terrible hardship for the gym users who don't drive 🙄



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    It’s a tiny slope up the bridge, no more than 2% and only about 100m if even.

    That bus stop she mentions at Westwood, there’s another right down the road no more than 200m, if someone using the gym can’t walk that distance and choses instead to drive that says more about them than anything



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Google maps have Strandville Ave to the bridge as a 250m walk with a 5m incline

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    If pedestrians from Strandville Ave can't (or won't) walk up that bit of a rise then instead of turning left from Strandville Ave, can turn right to the next stop (~300m) which is flat all the way.

    Some people will moan simply for the sake of it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,366 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    does this time of nonsense get printed in other countries that develop their streets and bus routes etc? it's absolutely unbelievable that they publish this nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,741 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    The UK is full of it, more so than here, just look at the bloody murder over the LTNs in London.

    Paris to an extent, but the fact they managed to take over so much space during covid and didn’t give it back has worked in their favour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    I'm just shocked (not really) that the stated best practice is a bus stop every 400m. (and yes I know there are studies that show people won't walk more than 5 mins or so before deciding to drive instead) it's no wonder public transport is a shambles with stop start so often!



  • Posts: 19,923 [Deleted User]


    There are some that I see that can't be more than 200m apart. There's 3 each side just on the main street in Clongriffin which Google tells me is 650m long. They could probably take out every 2nd stop in the county and it would run better. Some of the routes through residential areas like in Malahide with no space for them too don't make sense to me. Straight through Seabury where for some reason there are parking spaces on the street despite there being 2-3 car driveways in every house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,196 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I was thinking the same thing. It really slows down some routes to quite a significant degree.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,736 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i counted on the road i live on; 9 in a 3km stretch.

    one of the stops beside me is served by five different bus routes; i don't know whether that has any bearing on spacing but i don't see why it should.



  • Posts: 15,777 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony Lally had the assault charges against him dropped I see.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭hesker


    As someone pointed out… it’s quite revealing that the judge felt compelled to reveal she was a cyclist and ask if that was ok but presumably would not have felt so compelled if she was a motorist only



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