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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    So are you saying that we'll now have to separate these out of our other recyclables and make an effort to bring these to some other site to get some of the tax back???? I can tell you already how this is going down. The light bulb legislation did a lot of damage to the Greens and this might not be far off. At least the plastic bag tax required little extra effort.

    The Greens make more work for people and they lose support. Simple as.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The interesting bit is where does the uncollected tax go to? Is it in to general taxation, the machine venddors pocket or elsewhere. The devil is in the detail and like many green initiatives is sorely lacking.

    That's before we even get to the cost of running these things which will have to come out of the additional costs. If they charge 15 cent at POS then you may only get 10 cent back etc.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a deposit return scheme i.e. you get the deposit back when you return the empty.

    Think of it the same as the coin you put in the trolley

    More details




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    China stopped accepting plastic waste from Ireland in 2017 and in the process nearly collapsed the waste recycling industry in Ireland, coincidentally some recycling facilities burned down. 70% of plastic waste is incinerated in Ireland. As an example see Dublin Waste to energy.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Nobody cares about your affiliations, what is most telling is your complete lack of concern or empathy for folk who are suffering fuel poverty in this economic climate, your zeal for greenie policies is off putting in the extreme, methinks the GP would'nt want you as a member, you'd scare people.😀



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭F34


    From the article:

    How do consumers benefit from the Deposit Return Scheme?

    As well as getting your 15/25 cent back per bottle, it will also alleviate stress should you host a house party in the near future.

    Minister Smyth revealed that attendees at house parties will tend to refrain from leaving their cans and bottles after them as they're going to be worth money.


    I’ve never read so much rubbish. I can just imagine people going home from a house party with rubbish in hand and if that’s the best justification they can come up with we are truly well over paying out politicians.

    There’s also no clear indication this is going to increase recycling at all and indeed increase pollution as we are going to have to drive to supermarkets to recycle items that we were already recycling at home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭F34


    This doesn’t apply to Eamon everything he does is for the good of the environment and the plebs should not be questioning him!

    Some are more equal than others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    More detail required. But I strongly suspect you're right. The thing is, the Greens may be gambling that most people won't be arsed to separate these things from there other recyclables and bring to collection machines. In which case, they take in a heap more tax than they pay back..

    If so, and when the public cop on that they are being screwed with another Green tax - expect 'Mary & Martin' to be bad mouthing them to all & sundry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    "As well as getting your 15/25 cent back per bottle, it will also alleviate stress should you host a house party in the near future.

    Minister Smyth revealed that attendees at house parties will tend to refrain from leaving their cans and bottles after them as they're going to be worth money."


    🤣 Smith is for the birds, remember he told young people to destroy art and then had to issue a grovelling retraction.BTW i bet Smith was never at a house party in his life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,769 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    The point is you will now get charged 15 to 25 cent extra for anything in a plastic bottle and if yo throw that in your recycling bin you get charged to get it taken away. Otherwise you drive to the supermarket with your box of bottles and put them in the machine if it's not full. Doesn't sound like step forward to me. Just extra charges.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Just another tax for the greenies to dish out to their green circle friends, it would be interesting to know the backround of the companies and people who will implement this scheme.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody cares about your affiliations

    You seem to, you keep going on about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Kincora2017


    Seems like a good idea to me to target plastic that can be recycled, but ends up in public bins around our towns and villages. Similar to the coffee cup levy.

    like the plastic bag charge id imagine the aim is to reduce the overall consumption of plastic and litter.

    worth saying as well that I can remember this scheme being in place while on holiday in Germany over 20 years ago and thinking it was a great idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Dear Decor, you are quite mistaken, your affiliations or musings never enter my head, I classify all your postings that you secrete here as greenie stuff, GP bile,and recycled rubbish that you have pilfered from some other site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,746 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    No idea, but then I`m not promoting one set of jeans over another based on just my ideological beliefs, and when asked how much these jeans I`m promoting cost my reply is where are your shoes made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭ps200306


    Where did you get the impression I care about costs of private ventures? I care about costs to citizens. Private ventures who cannot turn a profit when costs are deducted from revenues either abandon the project before it begins or go bankrupt. Renewables projects are different. They bid at auction to provide energy. The government either accepts the bid and guarantees a strike price or it does not. The bidder's profit margin is then locked in for an agreed period. This is not a private venture in the normal sense of the word because the strike price is not constrained by the going market rate. It is a taxpayer funded subsidy. It guarantees risk-free returns to private capital.

    That this needs to be explained to the most vocal shill for renewables on here is depressing.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its been entertaining watching others laugh at your tax argument in that thread, truly entertaining. Honestly, I lol'ed

    But no matter, from Feb 2023 this will be rolling out. Within a year it'll be embedded and it'll be unusual to find a supermarket that won't have this service. We took our time catching up to Europe on this one, but we've finally gotten there.

    Will lead to cleaner streets if nothing else, which is no bad thing 👍️

    Also, its not the first time we've had a DRS, we had one decades ago. Pity we ever got rid of it, but we've finally righted that wrong




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    It is a good idea but it will lead to higher costs for the consumer, the retailer will not absorb the cost,so in reality its another stealth tax, people just want transparency about the cost to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Kincora2017


    You can’t really say it’s a tax on consumers as if you return the bottles you’ll get your money back.

    my memory on the scheme in Germany is that the cost of the product and the refundable cost of the container were both clearly marked



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well the plastic bag levy, introduced at half that, pretty much led to the disappearance of plastic bags from our streets overnight

    But lets wait and see. I say it'll lead to a behavior change in the same way as the plastic bag levy based on the evidence from its usage in a load of other European countries for several decades. You don't, just cos.

    Lets agree to round back this time next year and see who was right 😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    The point I was making was in the modern world you don’t need to have a jeans making factory nearby in order to get a pair of jeans 👖. Id wager France are better at nuclear then Ireland could ever be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Phil McCracken


    id keep breathing in the meantime if I was you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    If it's anything like the bottle banks around me then it's guaranteed to be constantly full and unusable.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It will actually lead to cleaner streets but not for the reason being promoted. You'll have homeless people going around picking up used bottles/cans and returning them.

    People who already recycle everything at home will get frustrated having a full bag of empty cans in the boot fir weeks while waiting to get near one that isn't completely full as well.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Take a record of all the drinks and cans you regularly buy at todays prices, also weight and volume, and then compare when the scheme is operational, if there has not been a substantial increase due to this scheme I will eat my own s$%£ in public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,746 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Are you being just deliberately obtuse or just pretending to be because it suits your agenda.

    When China restarts it`s economy it will not be with renewables. It will be with coal and cheap Russian oil. Of the 5 top CO2 emitters India and Japan made it clear on coal at COP26 they were going to use it as a cheap energy source for the sake of their economies and China has been building new coal fired energy plants and smelting plants for the same reason.

    Even Germany that former hero of Irish greens and the 6th. largest CO2 emitter on the planet are showing they have no qualms that when push came to shove as regards their economy it didn`t take them long to get the shovels and pick axes out.

    Looking at this year alone when it comes to China, and indeed India, where both were stocking up with Russian oil at discounted prices you need to have a major reality check if you believe either gives a toss about the E.U. not using Russian oil. Both have shown they have been more than happy to take advantage by availing of large discounted prices from Russia and will be more than happy to continue doing so.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its getting popular around the world, Singapore also bringing in a DRS

    Just looking into it now as part of this discussion, it looks like we are actually wayyyy behind on rolling this out. Loads of places have it already, or are about to start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    I have no problem with the scheme but be transparent with citizens that it will cost them a bit extra.And will you please please arrange for Ossian Smith to got to a real house party and not just a D4 soiree with his chums.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's another way you can try it out if you want to do something a little different. Ahead of the Circular Economy changes for coffee cups, Galway City Council and several coffee shops have brought in a refundable reusable cups trial. Pay 1 eur extra when you get your coffee, get it back when you return the cup. Honestly, I love that these businesses are taking the lead trialing these things.


    Another side benefit, once we get rid of single use cups and the DRS is in full swing, there'll be a lot lower costs for councils in terms of rubbish collection from street bins as they won't be filled so quickly by bulky plastic bottles or coffee cups, another win!



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