Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

Its when you want it back or when things go wrong that would worry me. Delighted to hear it's working well for ye!

Good post, but unfortunately you prompted a poster to post one of his epistles in response.

How was it a good post other than for its creative writing? Its fundamental flaw was that Government never consulted with the public, still a point being made today by the ordinary people you refer to in your post above - their complaint is that they weren’t consulted.

Why should they expect to be consulted about anything? The Government has a whole country to run rather than getting bogged down in trying to appease a few people who claim they represent the people of an entire community. It’s because they don’t represent anyone other than themselves and their own interests that they aren’t taken seriously by anyone. Ordinary people just aren’t interested in their crap.

Yes you both sign a form that would make it easy to get your house back if it came to that . Its a form compiled by the Dept of Children and Equality

The government have certainly not handled the Ukrainian refugee situation as well as they could have. A good few mistakes have been made this year, bureaucratic bungling, bad planning, poor communication with affected parties and so.

But on the other hand, it's an emergency and unprecedented situation - full scale war in Europe and literally millions of refugees on the move is something we haven't seen in many decades. There's no way this could 'not' set off problems in the countries affected by the inflow. Every country that has taken in Ukrainian refugees this year has reported similar difficulties.

On your general point, yes, the government should be planning for increasing population size and take it as a given it will keep increasing. David McWilliams suggests the population of the entire island could hit 10 million by 2050 (that's very much at the upper end of the estimates, but not unfeasible). That would require massive investment in infrastructure and literally millions of new houses built.

And the rubbish is piling up in this thread. Well guys, you might build up new Mount Everest.

Stop paying TV licence !!

Keep fighting..

Well refugee numbers are certainly piling up. Around 100k between Ukrainians and asylum seekers this year. Same again next year?

Keep em coming...

The hotel closing for tourists n is now full of Ukrainians is a made up sob story? If only there was some examples of this happening already I could put up links!!

Find it in your heart to forgive me not replying to u again , cheers!

It seems an increasingly likely prospect that an even bigger wave of refugees will come here over the next weeks and months.

The Russian military are laying waste to Ukraine's infrastructure, it's not hyperbole to suggest that millions will be permanently without electricity, gas, heat etc in the coming weeks.

Added to this, the Russian military are bolstering their numbers by several hundred thousand - it's safe to assume they are doing this to launch a huge offensive when the ground freezes hard.

Millions more (dwarfing what has already come to Europe) will then move West.

Hundreds of thousands could very feasibly come to Ireland.

What then?

Where will they go?

This is not going to go well folks.

I don't get this. How can you have a family staying in a house and you getting 800 a month for it and not be classed as tenants? I thought the PRTB take a very dim view of 'arrangements' to avoid tenant legislation? And then they stay 6 months and 1 day and then have part iv tenant rights?

Examiner goes into detail on some of the accommodation contracts for Ukrainians.

The articles you linked to don’t go into any detail really. Without knowing the details of the contracts between Government and accommodation providers, and the actual amount spent on providing services and so on, the figures quoted are meaningless as they’re only estimates -

The values of the contracts shown are estimates; the actual value materialises upon occupancy and actual usage.

There’s also no explanation of where the funding is coming from, whether it’s coming from the Irish Exchequer, the National Surplus Reserves, local authorities or the EU.

In terms of satisfaction with the Irish Government’s response to Ukraine, an international survey conducted in June of 2022 found that satisfaction with their Government’s response to Ukraine was highest among countries surveyed across Europe -

Satisfaction levels among Irish people over the Government’s response to the invasion of Ukraine by Russia is among the highest of the citizens of any EU member state.

The results of a survey commissioned by the European Commission shows 81pc of people in the Republic expressed satisfaction with the Irish government’s reaction to the war in Ukraine compared to the EU average of 55pc.

More than two-thirds of Irish people (68pc) surveyed said the war has had serious financial consequences for them personally – slightly higher than the EU average of 62pc.

The survey showed that 7pc of Irish people claimed they struggled to pay bills most of the time in the past 12 months, with 31pc stating it was a problem which occurred from time to time.

Despite the war in Ukraine and its economic impacts on Ireland, Irish people emerged as the most content of all EU citizens in the 27 member states together with Danes.

The survey showed 97pc said they were happy with the life they lead, compared to the EU average of 85pc. 

Irish people also remain more upbeat than many other EU citizens about their personal job situation.

The figures revealed that 77pc of Irish respondents judged their current employment position as good, including 22pc who believed it was “very good”.

Asked about their expectations over the coming 12 months, however, 45pc said they believed the situation in Ireland would become worse with only 6pc  stating they expected things would get better.

Almost half of all Irish respondents – 48pc of those surveyed – identified housing as the most important issue facing the country followed by health (23pc) and energy supply (15pc).

The survey was carried out in June and July 2022 in advance of the latest round of price increases announced by energy suppliers..

Ireland was one of only two of the 27 EU member states together with Luxembourg which ranked housing as the single biggest issue facing their country.

Asked what issue affected them personally the most, 70pc of Irish respondents said rising prices, inflation and the cost of living with 15pc claiming it was housing – three times the EU average of 5pc.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/satisfaction-levels-among-irish-people-over-governments-response-to-ukraine-invasion-among-highest-in-eu-41980142.html

In spite of some people’s attempts to conflate the two as though one is the cause of the other, people are perfectly capable of understanding that the rising costs of housing, accommodation, cost of living, and all the other rising costs, aren’t due to accommodating refugees and asylum seekers, they’re due to issues which already existed in Irish society long before the pandemic or the ongoing war in Ukraine, issues which are having an impact globally, not just in Ireland or Europe.

Do you think supply and demand applies to housing and rent prices?

Will adding 100k to the population every year and not building comparable housing increase or decrease prices?

There are Irish Lives Matter posters in East Wall lol

Your lordship need only go to Killarney to see similar. I can think of a town in Sligo, and a village in Donegal where it's also having an impact.