Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Still more inclined to support Ukraine but massively in favour of ceasefire. As I said, two corrupt countries at war with loads of people getting killed.

I think it is good to help the Ukrainian refugees but it does not seem to be the lord of the rings as some think. American interference, torture on both sides, etc.

Never been to Russia, although I would've liked to have gone in the nineties. I was a big fan of dostoyesky back then. Born in Dublin, went to school etc. here. Still living in Dublin. Have steered clear of the snuff movies that are war crimes in themselves, so maybe that's why I'm not so radicalised.

How do you want that ceasefire to come about. Russia goes home and pays for all the damage. Or Ukraine just accepts they have lost a lot of their country. One or the other is going to happen, how else will there be peace. What do you favour.

Corruption entwines everyone in a state like Russia. You'll be left destitute if you don't parttake or viewed as trouble maker if you try to be righteous. It's a way of life in most 3rd world countries but it's super changed in Russia

It's not my job to deradicalise you. The Ukraine were attacking the autonomous region for 8 days prior to the war. It was documented by the OSCE.

There seems to be very little reported on the start to the war when Ukraine had a huge military build up too. If I had to guess, I'd guess someone wanted Russia to invade.

What should happen is that all the people who committed war crimes should be punished, the innocent dead should come back to life, quantifiably perfect leaders should take over Russia an Ukraine.

In reality, Russia has taken a large piece of Ukraine. It seems very unlikely Ukraine will regain further significant territory in the next ten years. If fighting continues it's likely more will die.

If Ukraine was as corrupt as the criminal fascist state known as the Russian Federation, why would the EU, the US and Canada, Australia etc be so anxious to help them?

And please don't come back with any "proxy war" hyperbole as your response. If the West or NATO wanted to square up once and for all to the Russian / Putin dictatorship militarily or politically, they could do so directly and wouldn't even need the excuse of a proxy war in Ukraine to do it.

I posted the report on human rights abuses in Ukraine.

Us government backed rand corporation describes how to destabilise Russia

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

Guardian story on Ukraine corruption after what mearsheimer in peer reviewed article called a coup.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

I find it hard to believe everyone doesn't know this stuff. I have to admit at times I wonder if I've gone bonkers but it's all there for anyone to read. I can only think it's something to do with snuff movies that has radicalised people. The only European country cited as more corrupt than Ukraine in 2021 was Russia.

Once again I have to question your links.

Russia is the leader in online disinformation and propaganda so forgive me for been suspicious….

Here’s a solution if you don’t want these alleged abuses to happen comrade.

Take your invasion army out of a sovereign country.

Until you don’t, tough luck…

Oh and tell your comrades in the Embassy in Dublin , Slava Ukraine …

Everybody knows because putinbots have posted the same thing multiple times.

It doesn't change the fact that russia is the aggressor and indiscriminately targeting infrastructure and civilians because of severe failures in their army's performance. It also doesn't change the fact that the Donbas and Crimea are part of Ukraine and russia only became interested in them when their puppets were removed from power.

As someone posting information from before the "special operation" started, you should of course know this rather than looking extremely foolish on a public forum.

Nobody should be allowed to kill and rape children, not even Ukraine https://thegrayzone.com/2022/07/30/zelensky-militants-convicted-child-rape-torture-military/

Wouldn't that be the point of a ceasefire, to end the slaughter?

Maybe you're right but then I look at the good great power....

Yemen

Afghanistan

Libya

Iraq

Cambodia

Laos

Vietnam etc.

Trump armed Ukraine. Biden is backing the war. The non billionaire's on the ground, Russian and Ukrainian, are being slaughtered. It's really sad, the whole thing. As I said, I with Sabina Higgins and not the armchair soldiers.

And you failed to mention Russia invaded. You seem to forget or just don't understand that. People like you looking for a ceasefire etc.... fail to mention or realise that Russia can end this war right away by withdrawing their troops back to Russia. If there's going to be a ceasefire, that will be down to Ukrainians deciding that and not voices from the west etc...