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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is the earliest presidential candidacy announcement in history. So there is obviously something else going on here - a dash to become a presidential candidate before the indictments start coming in.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Trump thinks announcing a run will protect him from indictment, legally he's incorrect, however he'll say (untruely) that he's being victimised and that Joe Biden has weaponised the DOJ



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump announcing now has a few elements to it.

    He is announcing because he feels he need to protection of candidacy to shield him from Prosecution. It doesn't give him anything of the sort , but he hopes that it might give the DOJ pause and that they might hold off in charging him - They won't.

    He also correctly believes that the only thing that might stop him being convicted in two years time is being President again , but time is not on his side here.

    The Official declaration of his candidacy was supposed to be some kind of valedictorian speech following a GOP blowout victory in the mid-terms that he would claim as full vindication of everything he has ever said, allowing him to crest a wave and to a large extent clear the field in front of him. He would have all the right-wing media arrayed behind him in support etc. etc.

    Of course that didn't pan out but because he had signaled it so loudly and clearly he had to go ahead with the announcement as any delay would correctly have been seen as an admission that the mid-terms were a disaster.

    So , his pre-election bluster and hubris forced him to go ahead with the announcement.

    So in the endit weas a damp squib of an announcement with no recent achievements to promote so he was forced to roll out the sad and tired "greatest hits" that no one wants to hear anymore.

    An announcement so dull and uninspiring , the crowd tried to leave and had to be kept in the room by security.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,789 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A lot can happen in two years and a lot can be forgotten about in the same time frame. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the GOP suddenly had a change of heart and started backing Trump again, if it meant another shot at the Presidency for them. The right wing press and media, too, have form in changing their tunes when it suits them. Into the bargain, the Democrats don't seem to have anyone at the forefront to offer at the moment. IIRC, Biden hasn't offered anything solid on running for a second term? Or have I misinterpreted that? In any case, Biden may have Trumped the orange gobshite once, but there's nothing to say that he'll be able to do it again.

    In addition, given the absolute wretched state of US politics in the last few years I also wouldn't be surprised if Trump actually managed to get to the WH in 2024.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The GOP only care about winning which is why they are only now seriously looking at trying to distance themselves from him.

    So , if he still holds the keys to getting past the primaries for these charlatans then they will slither back to him. But once they are clear of the primaries they'll try to avoid him like the plague.

    Trumps ability to win in 2024 has been very badly damaged by these midterm results - He hoped to have legislative influence in multiple swing states through the likes of Mastriano , Lake and others that could help him secure those States in close races.

    All those attempts to overturn results that were rebuffed in 2018 would have been welcomed with open arms by people like Kari Lake in 2024 - But she's not there and none of the other Election deniers won their races in those key swings states either so he's in deep trouble and his almost disconsolate announcement last night suggest he might actually know it too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It’s a bizarre thing to announce as a policy agenda on the exact same night Artemis launched on its maiden test flight around the moon (unmanned drone flight).

    Because, NASA isn’t going to Mars it’s going to the moon. Artemis and the Lunar Gateway is committed.

    But if he and Elon want to go plant a flag on Mars together I say glory to both of them 👋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,897 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I can't wait to find out what Trump has on Graham.

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    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,162 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,045 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    If Trump had an ounce of sense (and he doesn't) or if he listened to the one or two people in his orbit who know full well what's coming (and he won't), Trump would move to a nice little tax haven in the Caribbean and live out the last 3 years of his life quietly, before burger cancer gets him.

    Instead we are going to be treated to the full Pay-Per-View of his destruction; financially, legally, politically and probably family wise too, such as it is.

    I'll also be delighted to get the popcorn out for the massively destructive exercise that the GOP will have to carry out to exorcise him and the Cruz/Gaetz/MTG imbeciles. What fun.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Trump could be out of the Presidency race by Christmas.

    Rupert Murdoch does not play nice.

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    He might be out of it by Thanksgiving.

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    In fact, I'd nearly go so far as to say if he's still in it by Christmas, in the face of this approach by Murdoch, he'll likely be the nominee.

    Edit number 2: This is the content from Page 26 of the Post.

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    He's toast if you ask me. No way he gets any meaningful support without a propaganda arm.

    Post edited by Tell me how on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,113 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nothing is my guess. Conservatives are weenies.

    Trump's clownish conduct only makes total submission to him more humiliating, and therefore more irresistible, to the Republican leadership. It's a mentality that's largely foreign to liberals, except perhaps in the controlled environment of the bedroom or the sex club. But this kind of willful subjugation is a 24/7 way of life for conservatives, whose entire worldview is about power and pecking orders. They had their fun pretending to resist Trump, but now he's pulled out the whip and yanked the chain. As they have a hundred times before, they'll fall on their knees, begging for a chance to serve the fake-tanned fraud they've made their master. 




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I'd wager something that substantiates the 'ladybug' rumour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,897 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Well, there are a few notable exceptions now. And the list is growing.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,102 ✭✭✭OU812


    Maybe Mel is planning on being First Lady Magaga



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Trump is just about the one GOP opponent that Biden is sure to beat , sleepy Joe must be over the moon at this announcement

    Biden is a bit like Enda Kenny , mediocre talent, will never do anything too dynamic, a Washington lifer but you couldn’t ever despise the guy and with the right handlers, won’t burn down the place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    You do get the sense that Republican voters want to move on. I think we'll get to a point when people who were rabidly pro-MAGA will pretend they never supported him out of embarrassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,972 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    There was the time he floated the idea of being president for life. Not that it would happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Compared to photos we saw of Cohen during TFG years, he looks remarkably rested and happy

    circa 2019

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,667 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Republican voters may be ready to move on from Trump, but are they ready to move from Trumpism? The nakedly crass attitudes, the paranoid mindset and desire for political street fights. The election denialism as well. The last one lost out in the midterms (mostly), but it was still a big thing in the Republican base, going by opinion polls. Unless the Republican is willing to leave that shiet behind, then America hasn't really turned a corner. It'll just be a case of trying to sneak it in with a prettier package, ie Desantis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    My MAGA seditionist racebaiting congressman who stood up to object to electors on January 6 has not mentioned Trump at all today.*

    😂


    *Instead he's leaning hard into the culture war against Psychologists advising on school policy, parents know better how to groom their own kids thanks very much, etc.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hadn't heard of that rumour until now, had to Google it. As a member of the LGBT community itself, it's very obvious - to me at least - that Lindsey Graham most likely belongs to our community too. He's unmarried and has no kids. That must be hard for him though, being a Republican and all. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that so-called rumour is more than just a rumour.

    Trump must know more about what's happened with Graham. That would certainly explain Graham's more than obsequious gestures in favour of Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Rumor is him and John McCain were incredibly good friends.

    So it's weird to see how he totally tucked tail when Trump kept denigrating him even as he went from deathbed to grave.

    Whatever about his bedroom appetites, he's a spineless foghorning carnival barker. I'm not sure how much longer he can hold on to his seat in SC as more South Carolinians get hooked into broadband (Thanks Biden) and join the age of information. He's crossed the "RINO" line with so many people so many times here they say but then they went back to the poll in 2020 and voted him back in again. I live in league with incredibly insane and homely people around here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Economy-class Trump supports try to signal they still stand behind their guy.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    IMHO I think one can safely write Trump off in terms being the next POTUS even at this early stage- everyone seems to feel his launch was a damp squib and we’re seeing all manner of people either directly or indirectly ignoring him, especially the billionaire backers.

    My gut feeling the other day when I listened to the launch was “this feels old hat” - it seems others feel the same way- Americans don’t like to go backwards - even MAGA just doesn’t resonate - it’s been two years since all of this nonsense, that’s a huge length of time in politics.

    It reminds me of the old fashioned comedians in the 80s still trying to compete with the alternative comedy circuit- they just looked and sounded so irrelevant .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,162 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah I saw that- you’d think he’d have chosen a completely new slogan - while there might be familiarity with MAGA, it’s totally tainted - there’s not many who want to go back over stolen elections or the riots- the economy is in big trouble, there’s international issues to such as China and Russia - he had one chance to achieve MAGA and Trump blew it - he’ll be so easy to bait and taunt such as “loser” - America doesn’t like losers 😀

    If up against DeSantis, draft dodging will definitely be on the agenda too



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