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Zelesnky has responded in the best way possible - the situation is hugely regretable, and terrible for the loss of life in Poland, but to repeat what everyone already knows: the action that led to this tragedy was caused by Russia who are operating beyond any kind of law or morality, and are hell bent on destroying Ukraine, its people and culture, all of which Moscow openly despises. Ukraine is fighting for its life for God's sake. Some day Europe will emerge out of this war a safer, more secure place and we will owe Ukraine our thanks for it.

Holy ****!

Is this for real?

Russia's firing missiles at Ukraine

Ukraine firing them at Poland!

When will the madness end?!

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"Stoltenberg says Ukrainian air defences the 'likely' cause of blast

Stoltenberg continues by saying the incident in Poland was "likely" caused by the activity of Ukraine's air defence systems - echoing the view of the Polish president.

But the Nato chief is clear that "Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against Ukraine".

There's that "likely" again

Is there anyone that isn't dangerously stupid listening to these "critics in the west"?

Countries are announcing continuing military aid this morning, Sweden 8 times more than they have already given.

These critics can fúck off TBH.

We could also be looking at a scenario where Poland could be engaging Russian missiles in Ukraine, whatever about NATO or the EU, Poland are fully entitled to defend themselves.

Zelensky was too quick to blame Russian but it’s understandable. Great to see calm heads prevail.

On the other hand anyone solely blaming the Ukraine for the accident is akin to blaming the rape victim for their choice of clothing etc.

I'd imagine the Russians were panicking there for a moment yesterday! Hopefully they’ll now realise how close they are to a potential all out conflict with NATO.

Yep, I agree. But in the white heat of the rockets attacks yesterday on Ukraine, I can forgive that rush to judgement. As the news was breaking last night, I fully expected it to be the work of Russia, such is their moth-to-the-flame irrationality they have demostrated throughout this war. If anything can be salvaged from this incident, it should be that NATO supplies Ukraine with better missile-defense systems

Zelensky can't afford to take that attitude, he is entirely dependent on western military assistance to prosecute this war. With the Republicans likely to take control of the House that aid might not be as forthcoming as it has been up to now.

Obviously this (apparent) 'friendly fire' incident is a minor detail in the broader context but Zelensky has to strive to prove himself the anti-Putin in every respect...

For obvious reasons Ukraine would like to see it's allies have skin in the game so to speak. So it's natural they would jump on any pretext to expand the theatre to other countries.

At the end of the day they have nothing to lose. They are under attack and fighting for their existence as a country.

The rest of us have everything to lose by being roped in to this conflict and I think Zelensky made a bad judgement call yesterday because it was just too transparent but it's been this way since the start of the war.

I think they need to be a bit more tactful or they do risk losing some support.

Yesterday could easily have led to a serious miscalculation without the facts.

Surely they have everything to lose ?? Their very existance for one thing. One must understand that Russian ideology considers all those former Soviet republics as less than pure Russian, and they are people to be ruled and subjugated. Who would want to live under those conditions ?

At an absolute minimum what has happened is Russia has attacked a Ukrainian target 10k inside Ukrainian border. Ukraine fired an anti-air missile to protect whatever Ukrainian hospital school or residence Russian has decided is a crucial military target today.

Either the antiair missile hit and deflected the Russian missile into Poland or it missed and went into Poland itself. Either way the responsibility is Russian.

To say Poland needs to defend itself from Ukraine is you yet again adopting a Joseph Goebbels approach to the truth in seeking to absolve Russia. It is VERY VERY simple Timmy no Russian missiles near Polish border = no dead Poles, Alternatively Russia rolls the dice by firing close to the border = Poles entitled to strike Russian targets.

There is no rush to judgement there. It is very simple very clear English.

Expressed condolences, and placed responsibility for the the deaths on Russia. They are facts, not judgements. No Russian missile attacks near Polish border = no Ukrainian defense missiles fired, therefore it is Russias fault , irrespective of whether the missile that hit Poland was a Russian missile or a Ukrainian defense response.

By the way did you register before the news of the deaths were announced, afterwards or when it became known to you?

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Polish president says its very likely blast is from a Ukrainian air defence, and that it was a tragic accident.

Even the heads of state of NATO members are saying its likely an accident from UA air defence, only here are there still people theorizing about russian missiles

This is a real blow. There go our chances of them being conscripted on landing.