Advertisement
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
https://www.boards.ie/group/1878-subscribers-forum

Private Group for paid up members of Boards.ie. Join the club.
Hi all, please see this major site announcement: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058427594/boards-ie-2026

Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

16146156176196201854

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE




  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,579 ✭✭✭fitz


    He really wasn't anywhere near outstanding enough in the RC to warrant nomination, it's bizarre tbh. Wit Savea not nominated, it should be Josh, imo. Dupont hasn't been as good this year as he was last year.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    Ross Byrne has joined up with the squad. Not a good sign for Sexton being fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,099 ✭✭✭✭Pudsy33


    If Sexton is out, I really hope we start Crowley.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    I'd say that's a given. He's been training with the squad for a lot longer and he got gametime at the weekend. Would be very surprised if Byrne started ahead of him.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Hopefully it's just a precaution against relapse or late hamstring tweaks. Can't be in a situation where Crowley is starting and Lowry is wearing 22.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    I was going to say that JOB regularly plays outhalf in training for Leinster.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/2022/11/11/jimmy-obrien-the-most-versatile-irish-player-around/



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,597 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's a public vote and Ireland have two nominees in each category so the Irish vote will be split which counts against the Irish players I think.

    I'd be voting for Sheehan and VDF but I suspect it will go to Capuozzo and DuPont.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,020 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'm a big advocate of Coombes but he was poor v NZ XV and has paid the price. He was fine against the SA XV for Munster but he hasn't regained his form of last season before he was injured. Deegan has overtaken him. Coombes has the advantage though of being Munster's first choice at no.8. Deegan will have to fight hard at Leinster to start the big games, although he's pushing Conan hard as Conan also has lost his form. It's a straight out battle between Deegan and Coombes for a place on the plane to France next year. Will be an interesting battle.



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    Coombes has the advantage though of being Munster's first choice at no.8. Deegan will have to fight hard at Leinster to start the big games

    This is very true and I've said the exact same thing on here before. If the Leinster management had to name their pecking order at 8 right now I think Deegan would be 3rd. I think his best chance is to keep improving, try to overtake Conan, and Leinster end up with a Deegan/VdF/Doris backrow but I am not sure how close that is. Coombes is pretty much guaranteed to start every significant game Munster have this season so it's a huge benefit he has.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Conan's form hasn't been great. I don't think he's playing poorly, but rather just isn't at the level he was in 2021. He has a lot of credit in the bank provincially but with Ireland competition is even stiffer.

    I could see a situation where he's out of Leinster's 23 entirely. Ryan Baird was starting to play very well at blindside flanker before his injury. If he recovers well I can see him taking that spot. He has a lot of attributes coaches love. Incredible athleticism in open play, strong at the lineout and good handling skills.

    That leaves just the number 20 jersey available as VDF and Doris are undroppable in current form. On recent performances, Deegan is making a solid case as an impact sub as well. Conan could be squeezed out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Skyfloater


    Baloucoune has been frustrating to watch so far, He needs to go looking for the ball a lot more. He can't really afford to have another meh game where you're hardly aware that he's on the pitch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Coombes was "fine" against SA but he needed to make a statement and he didn't. He now finds himself behind not only POM, Doris and Conan but also Deegan and Prendergast, and if Baird is now considered a back-row, he might be even further down the list. That's a long way back when there are so few games left between now and the RWC.

    I think what Farrell has consistently shown is that provincial pecking orders don't really matter to him; Jack Crowley and Ben Healy are the living proof of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,471 ✭✭✭crisco10


    Agree, he's such an athlete - love watching him. But he really struggles to get on the ball unless others bring him into the game. I feel like that try on Saturday was his 1st touch of the ball for example.



  • Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Crowley over Byrne obviously imo.

    With Coombes, he doesnt fit ireland’s game plan imo. I noticed in the ireland maori game, they emphasized what he does well for munster. In the A game, he seemed to be meant to be mirroring doris more… and honestly i think deegan is better at that.

    We have a set system and you have to fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Ireland generally use their left wing as the additional playmaker. e.g. Lowe v Conway or Hansen when he's playing 11.

    Baloucoune's wing is usually to keep width. His lack of involvement is probably more down to Ireland's sloppy play v Fiji and SA slamming the door closed.

    He does need a big game v Aus. It's going to be another slightly disjointed backline without the Sexton (as rumored) & Lowe axis.

    All excellent prep for RWC



  • Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Everleigh Freezing Oasis


    Photos out of Sexton in training. Seems like good news on the injury front.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,004 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Boo! Down with this sort of thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Very surprised by Ross Byrne's call up. He's probably the out half who least suits the way Ireland are trying to play. I'd have Carty or Burns over him personally.

    Also don't think having him in camp is good for Crowley. He's supposed to be quite a loud, dominant personality like Sexton. And if they're trying to bed Crowley in, grow his confidence, get him calling the shots etc, I don't think having Ross Byrne in camp is a good thing for him. It could undermine Crowley.

    If Sexton is fit, I don't see why they needed to call up another out half. A Lowry or O'Brien may have to act as 3rd choice 10 at the RWC, so why not use this game week as a dry run for that?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,020 ✭✭✭almostover


    I'd argue the point with respect to Prendergast and Baird. Baird is currently injured and behind all of the above in the Leinster pecking order for the no.6 shirt, nevermind Ireland. Prendergast is doing fine, but no more than that. Personally I'd say it was a close call between him and Coombes being released from the Ireland camp. Coombes was worse against NZ XV but Prendergast wasn't exactly hectic either. There's one seat left on the plane as a 6/8 for the WC next year and currently Deegan is in pole position. A lot will change in the coming 9 months, it's a position of high attrition and injuries / loss of form will occurr. Don't write off Coombes yet, or any of them. Right now only Doris, VDF and POM are backrow bankers. Probably Timoney too as a 7. Conan also but he could get usurped if he can't find form.

    6/8 is a position of depth for us. The 10 discussion is different because the gulf in class behind Sexton is huge and poor Carbery can't catch a break / is made of glass. That's why Farrell is ignoring provincial pecking orders for the 10 shirt. We're shagged if anything happens Sexton and we need to find an acceptable backup ASAP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Rewatched the Fiji match. It was dour, no doubt. We got the job done, that's the main thing.

    I don't know why Conan is getting criticism on here, he was good again last week. It was a crap match and no Ireland player really excelled. Conan is probably comfortably in the plans. Deegan has a lotvof work to do.

    That match was ideal for the new lads and those on the fringes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203



    If Crowley can't hack it because Ross Byrne Is in camp he should retire immediately

    This undermine stuff is grade A BS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,103 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    That's all fair enough, I wouldn't write anyone off completely at this point, but assuming we go full strength this weekend and full strength in four of the 6n matches, that leaves only three games for fringe players to make an impression before the RWC squad is announced, otherwise they're relying on injuries.

    A lot of players have already run out of road, Coombes needs a big season with Munster to get back in the frame IMO. Simply being first choice won't mean anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    We saw the physical toll of the S.A match. A number of lads nursing injuries. The fringe lads need run outs. Treadwell has done very well imo. He will play again this week imo. Loughman needs another shot. He did fine last week and I reckon he has a chance to step up. Carberry was ok. He made tackles and put his body on the line. That's what we should expect. I was thinking that he was doing fairly well until he went off.

    Baloucoune didn't get much ball, whether by design or under instruction, I don't know but, he hasn't really laid down a marker. I hope he plays this week and delivers. When Conway returns, he'll be under pressure to hold on to his spot. McCloskey did well but, I don't think enough! Another run out this week? But, then Aki is available and Henshaw needs minutes.

    Crowley was so so. His debut and all so, I suppose he will be happy to get that out of the way. I hope he starts this week! The result means fcuk all! Depth should be the priority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Henshaw is out AFAIK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,122 ✭✭✭Shehal


    The result means alot actually, the aim needs to be continuing our momentum going in 2023. Handing out caps just to test people out is the wrong approach, these players need to earn their caps as they are more likely to step up and perform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭FACECUTTR


    McCloskey Aki partnership would be fairly abrasive.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,328 ✭✭✭TRC10


    I think we seriously need to calm it down on the Jack Crowley hype. Like, he's only started a handful of games at 10 for Munster, and hasn't really shone in any of them. He's never scored a try. He's 2nd choice (at best) at Munster. Granted he was good on the EI tour. But that was against Currie Cup B-Teams. He had a fairly mixed 30 minutes against NZ XV and an "ok" 30 minutes against Fiji. And people are now talking about him starting v Australia. Like, let's calm it down a bit. Maybe he will be great. He does seem to have the skills and athleticism, and he looks like a natural 10. The coaches seem to really rate him and I'd trust their judgement. But he's done nothing to warrant a start v Australia. Is he really ready to have Hooper, Valetini, Tupou, Samu, Arnold and Skelton running at him? I don't think so. I want to see him go and nail down the Munster 10 jersey and put an outstanding run of form together there before I get giddy about him.



Advertisement
Advertisement