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BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    One of the organisers of the Black Lives Matter demonstration that saw the toppling of Edward Colston’s statue has been charged with fraud over a fundraiser linked to the protest movement, Bristol World can exclusively reveal today.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I don't think the Uk has laws to stop reports in relation to public interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    The Heroes' Perspective: Officers pursue Dallas ambush gunman on July 7th, 2016 - YouTube

    blm bringing you the reality of convincing mentally ill people that they are normal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Mentally ill people are normal. They are ill.

    What do you want police to do? Beat the sh*t out of them or shoot them just in case? Or maybe lock them up in asylums and stigmatize them?

    There's a few factors that you could have considered when bringing this event to the thread. The shooting happened at a peaceful protest following the deaths of 2 people at the hands of police in separate incidents. The Chief of police investigating the ambush stated that Johnson (the perpetrator of the ambush) was angry at the repeated killing of black people at the hands of police.

    Another thing worth mentioning is that the perpetrator, like many other people in mass shootings, used an assault rifle. The same family of guns that Conservatives in the US are adamant should not have restrictions placed on their ownership.

    You could also have mentioned that he apparently had legally acquired (in a Target parking lot) despite documented evidence of being not of sound mind because again, gun supporting conservatives do not want tight restrictions on the ability to acquire guns. These points aside, if mental health was indeed the issue its only then correct to point out that the same US Conservatives who want uninhibited access to guns recently voted against providing improved mental health support facilities in schools.

    Now, for clarity, I'm not saying the guy who shot the police was correct or should be absolved for his actions or was a fine upstanding citizen or that he wasn't mentally ill or anything else you're going to pretend I am saying. What I'm saying is that looking at that event and deducing that the issue is somehow the sole outcome of BLM telling this guy that he was normal without any consideration of the wider picture or evidence that just how BLM did this is wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Mentally ill people are normal. They are ill.

    By the very definition of the word normal, they aren't. They are ill, and any illness is an abnormality that needs to be addressed.

    Or maybe lock them up in asylums and stigmatize them?

    Stigmatizing them doesn't help anyone, but mentally ill persons with illnesses that can cause them to become violent should be locked up, both for the greater good and their own personal safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    No mentally Ill people are ill

    this incident happened after this person murdered innocent people because of the propaganda of blm and its ilk

    shouting slogans is one thing but this is the reality of all the propaganda and lies that just another racist organization spreads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Funny how you see the actions of one group influencing another but don't see police forces use of inappropriate and excessive lethal force as being problematic in this conversation.

    Or the approaches of political groups who oppose asking police to perform better to simultaneously make access to guns easier and access to mental health supports harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Locked up? Without having done anything? Is that a reasonable approach for any society in the 21st century do you think?

    Why would you prioritize this approach above better access to mental health treatment and other types of supports?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    By locked up I mean involuntary admission in a facility that is equipped to deal with that mental health illness, in order to ensure that the ill person gets the treatment they need and the rest of the society is not put at risk. This is a reasonable approach for the 21st century and beyond. As for priorities, the main priority should be the safety of everyone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    He murdered 5 police officers and injured 9 others ,

    he was shooting at them, they tried to talk him down they gave him every chance for surrender over the course of several hours he fired at them again and again.

    what do you think they should have done?

    blm and its racist affiliates encouraged this murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Can you point to any society that successfully adopts this approach, before someone has actually committed some act, which I think is what you are suggesting.

    I'm all for having the safety of everyone as being the main priority, hence my stance on gun control, wearing masks during pandemics and tackling the fossil fuel industry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I think the police had little choice other than to react the way they did once this event had started.

    It's what leads up to such events I want kept in the picture and tackled appropriately. If you want to apportion blame to this event outside of the guy who carried it out, the police are much more responsible than the BLM premise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes, I do suggest to have these person committed to a mental health facility before they commit a crime, because it's not a punishment, it's for their own good. As for your stance on gun control, wearing masks during pandemics and tackling the fossil fuel industry probably we are 90% in agreement. Also 100% off topic :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    the policemen who were murdered are responsible for their own murder at the hands of a mentally ill criminal who was manipulated and enraged by a racist organization ?

    your logic is unique



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    The only preemptive approach that I can think of is when the Nazi party had a program called Aktion T4 where they located all mentally ill people and murdered them. Even children with aspergers were murdered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That isn't what I said, I think you know this but maybe you don't. Maybe take some time to read my posts again before going all Daily Mail in a response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    na this is what you said

    " If you want to apportion blame to this event outside of the guy who carried it out, the police are much more responsible than the BLM premise."

    at least have the balls to stand by it

    did you thin all that blm racism was just harmless fun or what, there are consequences to actions in the real world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You've literally just proven your previous post was wrong. You should probably go edit that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    And now in our glorious present the mental health problems became such a touchy feely issue that we allowed a mentally ill airplane pilot to take the lives of 150 persons including himself rather than doing the right thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Spartan airlines wasn't really a thing though. Maybe they killed off their genius invention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    If that's a joke it ... flew over my head but I was referring to the Germanwings crash where a pilot with previously diagnosed suicidal tendencies deliberately crashed the plane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    na your grand

    your understanding of right and wrong isn't something anyone should aspire to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    So everyone, as soon as they experience mental health issues, should be locked up?

    Do you have any idea how many tens of millions of people every year that would be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Yes, for example as soon as someone mentions hearing voices telling them to hurt people they should be isolated so they don't hurt people. Is there anything wrong with doing this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,026 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Yes.

    It will lead to many many people being locked up which will lead to consequences on the care available elsewhere in the medical system meaning many people will suffer. It will lead to the stigmatization of people who will likely suffer greatly in losing their jobs and therefore their income and the consequences that come from that are severe. It could lead to children being taken from their parents or relationships breaking down. It will lead to people who do need some form of help keeping their mouth shut for fear of being locked up. It will not stop those who genuinely want to hurt others because they will just say nothing and act in a particular way.

    It's a train of thought that has long been found to be regressive and to create grater problems in virtually every developed modern day society, and many more besides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Timely,

    Bodycam footage shows Georgia deputies arresting 19-year-old Luke Ingram, a college student accused of murdering his grandfather and attacking his dad on Nov. 9. The Flagler County Sheriff's Office said neighbors called 911 after Ingram's frantic father came to their door stating that his son attacked him and his family. Ingram's father told deputies that his son has "schizophrenia," reports said.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=715998959582499



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It will lead to many many people being locked up which will lead to consequences on the care available elsewhere in the medical system meaning many people will suffer

    So do prisons, but I don't suppose you think we should totally do away with them and stop locking people up. Or do you?

    It's a train of thought that has long been found to be regressive

    As opposed to the new train of though that littered NY and SF with mentally ill homeless people, and here created the 200+ convictions criminals who are beyond rehabilitation and yet they roam free until they hurt someone badly and only then they are sent to prison.

    It could lead to children being taken from their parents

    Children should be taken away from mentally unstable parents who always end up hurting and abusing them.

    It will lead to the stigmatization of people

    NO! we can't have stigmatization. And if a few (hundreds) people die it's a small price to pay to be progressive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,852 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    It doesn't look like the cops did too much wrong there. Too many giving him instructions maybe but that's about it.



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