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Police called to hotel on day of the National Party AGM

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    One group arrived at a private property where another group had a booking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,297 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    how many people need to be together to form a group in your opinion?

    I would imagine it is not unusual for a group to arrive at a hotel while another group has a booking. In fact I would imagine having multiple groups at a hotel while one has a booking is very normal.

    🤣

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭gw80


    Well done to antifa, if they didn't turn up the event would have passed peacefully and no-one would know anything about it, but now they have given the NP some free publicity,

    And this is my opinion only but I suspect the bus group that turned up to protest peacefully would not have been to happy to just group up at the the entrance to the hotel and shout "down with that sort of thing ". No I suspect they wanted into the room where it was being held to disrupt proceedings witch s probably what led to altercations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Because the NP have form for attacking people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Yep, I've already said that I don't know exactly who started it. None of us do.

    I have however assumed that if a bus load of people went to the trouble of going there to protest and disrupt the AGM, then they went looking for trouble. I may or may not be correct on that matter.

    Why is it interesting that I have made an assumption that one side was the victim and one side is the aggressor? I'm basing it on the balance of probabilities. A bus load of protesters turned up at the AGM. They may have went with the intention of holding a peaceful protest but I personally don't believe that. Because I've assumed that it was the protesters that started it, are you hinting at the fact that I might be an 88 wearing mutherfcuker who aligns with the National Party ideals? Nope, not true. I couldn't give a fcuk about the National Party or their ideals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,496 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Oh a few but one who springs to mind is RTE reporter on Swedish affairs Philip o Connor, he is forever stressing on Twitter that it’s not merely enough to oppose racism , “ we must be anti racist “

    o Connor is an extreme leftist ( not too far left for the national broadcaster however)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LOL. always the same. Defending a group and when called out pretend you don't know anything about them. Classic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I see. A total coincidence that is looks like 88 then. Perhaps they could have made a different one to prevent that kind of conclusion being made by many people online. I guess some people will make up their own minds on it. I'm happy to give them the benefit of doubt...

    I think people are probably making that inference due to things like this. Barrett attending a conference run by known Neo Nazis

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2002/1011/30826-nice/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,297 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Its interesting because you are seemingly siding with one questionable group over another questionable group based on very limited information.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,354 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They literally were visiting a hotel.

    They certainly weren’t organising a protest meeting about a public procession, but I hope you enjoyed your time browsing through the legislation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    I do know fcukall about them. Believe what you want.

    And where have I been supporting them? All I've said is that I've based my opinion (which may or may not be correct) that it's more likely that a bunch of protesters who attended an event that they weren't invited to were more likely to be responsible for the the violent altercation that happened at the event. Again, I'll say that I might be wrong.

    That don't see how that means that I support the National Party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day. I'll be at home polishing my swastika, as you seem to think I'll be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭rogue-entity


    I strongly doubt that, I strongly doubt there's enough people here who look over at Russia, at Hungary, at parts of the United States and go "yes, I want that too".

    The attitude of many left-leaning folks is the 'paradox of tolerance' and the path that 'unlimited free speech' would lead:

    "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."

    To paraphrase, the right to Free Speech means the government cannot arrest you for what you say, it doesn't mean that anyone else has to listen to it, or host you while you share it. The constitution doesn't shield you from criticism or consequences. If you're yelled at, boycotted, have your show cancelled, or get banned from an online community that doesn't mean your rights to free speech have been violated, it just means the people listening think you're an a-hole and are showing you the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Ah come on. You'd think I was a paid up member of the National Party the way people are going on here.

    I won't engage any further after this but yes, there's very limited information for sure. I totally acknowledge that. I don't give a fiddlers about the National Party but if someone attends someone else's AGM to protest and violence errupts, it does look like the protesters went there to cause trouble. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Who knows.

    Anyway, I'm not here to bat for the National Party so I'm out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    No one ever seems to actually support them or are willing to admit to supporting them, but we keep hearing statements like "they will be a force soon".

    I mean if people are too cowardly to even admit anonymously on the internet to supporting them, I very much doubt that this bunch of racist God botherers will be anything like a force ever. It's farcical.

    🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Of course the right to free speech is not unlimited. Going to an event to disrupt it can be a violation of others' free speech. The same holds for people trying to disrupt a far-left event.

    As for ability to afford a five-star hotel, I couldn't care less, as long as the money was legal. It might even be a good thing if thing if they wasted their money on 5-star luxuries instead of using it on propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Communists and Fascists were close allies longer than they were enemies.


    Much of their hatred for each other is driven by the nature of their relationship breakdown, and both are impossible to work with, always splitting and falling out among themselves.


    The IRPs have fallen a long way from the time of Costello. A collection of informers, alcoholics, and hoods using the military wing to give them cover.Regardless of the context of this or what you think of it,if you talk to an IRP you are talking to the special branch, that was the way 20 years ago and it has only gotten worse.


    The protesters in this instance don't care who was there. They were just told to go there and try to get some eejit down the line lifted.


    Pick any of your anti Fascist groups if you want but not this group of informers.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Of course actually committing violence is not OK. Do I really have to state that explicitly?

    As for indirectly inciting violence, that's when things get complicated. What to one person may seem legitimate comment may be construed by others as deserving sanction. How indirect can you be? Calling DJT "evil"?

    I am sure that there are many in prison in authoritarian regimes for saying something quite innocent but which has been defined as criminal. Such as referring to a "special military operation" as a "war".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Any confirmation that Barrett and Dwyer were attacked? Asking for a friend who loves laughing when people get their comeuppance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,036 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It still isn't clear what happened but the BBC say some of the people in the car park "were reportedly armed with hammers and a fire extinguisher". (Who though?)

    "The conference room, called the Ross Suite, was also damaged in the incident, it is understood."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I don't think the lads on the bus would have brought a fire extinguisher with them. Plenty of fire extinguishers in the hotel though...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,977 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    you mean the DJT who indirectly caused the capitol building to be assaulted by an armed crowd? Actually, probably not that indirectly. he all but said it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Informative.

    It is a nationalist and anti-immigration party which has also campaigned against abortion and Covid-19 restrictions.

    The party currently has no elected representatives

    😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,354 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You said that the reason for this masking of Marxism was because it “doesn’t sell well with the electorate”. O’Connor isn’t a politician, so he doesn’t have an electorate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,354 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Are you in favour of some kind of safe spaces for far right events now?

    Where do you think they got the funding to host this kind of event in a very expensive hotel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 431 ✭✭Starfire20




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,297 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Communists and fascists were not allies, have you got an example of when you claim they were?

    Was it in Mussolini's fascist Italy or maybe Franco's fascist Spain, no it must have been hitlers fascist Germany were they were allies?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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