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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,547 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Wonderful.

    You will never defeat a people who refuse to be defeated.

    Lots more to be done of course, but the snowball effect of damage and demoralisation in Russian military could see a very rapid Ukrainian advance into the remainder of their occupied territory now.

    As the maxim says, 'amateurs think tactics, while professionals think logistics', and Russia doesn't have any. NATO estimates 100,000 of their best troops are dead or wounded for the long term. Between that and the lack of fuel, food, winter kit and ammunition to supply the C-class divisions which remain in theatre, what hope can Russia now have. Except perhaps for a few brave (or selfish) souls in Moscow to stage a coup and stop the killing as a first step.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Putin still has very strong support domestically, it’s important to note that Russians have a huge tolerance for death and suffering compared to Western Europeans and Americans, a hundred thousand dead Russian soldiers is not such a huge deal in that culture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,441 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Very true. It's not really what you'd call a "society" or a "community" at all. Nobody seems to give a damn about anyone else in the country (very un-European in many ways).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I remember back in March the public protesting in in front of the Russian army in Kherson. It's so nice to see it liberated. The Ukrainian army there must be on cloud nine!

    Little throw back to early this year. It seems impossible to break their spirit.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Thats a nice thought, that the Ayatollah will not be able to count on Putin for assistance. Which means also that other states with similar tyrants in charge, will be unable to avail of Mr. Putin's "Special Talents and Skill's" This could mean many changes for the better worldwide. I wonder how long he can remain in Syria in support of Assad? The outcome of the war in Ukraine will reverberate worldwide. Re Iran, I lived there for a while a few years ago. Lovely Country, and lovely friendly cultural people, and mad to throw of the yoke of rabid Islam. I think (and hope) that this time the revolution will succeed, they certainly deserve their freedom from the Mullahs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,131 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    I did think when I was in Ukraine the language sometimes sounded like Yiddish, I know it is part of the German languages group but there is some Slavic influences present. Even Ukrainian music sounds a bit Jewish!

    I've heard the later language many times since moving to North London travelling around the area. North London has large Hasidic Jewish communities so you see the people often. They have loads of kids speaking Yiddish, better behaved than most of the other kids LOL!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,751 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    If it is your only son, it's a very big deal. This is fertility rate is a bit dated but it highlights the difference between the wealthy and poor areas.

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    You can see why the burden of recruitment falls heaviest on the poorest areas of the Russian federation.

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    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Great victory. I suspect a broader retreat on the way very soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,467 ✭✭✭zv2


    In Russia you can have a finite eternity, square circles, true lies, non-real realities - anything you like...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Give them a day or two, with the number of explosive traps left behind by the Ruzzian's, they will have to tread with extreme care. But just now on the RTE news they showed one weapons storage building, with plenty of all kinds of munitions, mortars, shells, cases of bullets etc. left behind, and this is only one store. I'm sure that there is plenty more waiting to be found, and of course, returned to its rightful owners in due course. It would be wrong to do otherwise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭blackwave


    Dugin putting himself forward for a car accident or falling out of a open window....

    Very interested to see how Putin's next public appearance goes, in times of crisis before he has been known to dither a bit, so could be a whole before we see him. Will he hide or will he use this now to silence some of the more prominent dissenters like the above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,557 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Not sure there will be that much, supply issues are a big reason for the withdrawal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,039 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Would have been easy to blow it up. The Russians are done as an army.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,915 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I have seen a surprising number of these videos where the welcomed liberators are apparently driving civilian vehicles. One might have thought the folks at the pointy end might at least be in something like a jeep or HMMWV. Goes to show there's still a pretty significant equipment shortfall somewhere.



  • Posts: 15,362 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yes and no. Its similar to what they did in the Kharkiv region. Normal cars can go a lot faster than tanks, so forward scouting groups often used those as they were quicker and more maneuverable to get in and out. Its likely what we saw above was those forward groups. The following folks would be much heavier equipped



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,817 ✭✭✭threeball


    It's a wonder they haven't booby trapped these munition dumps. Stick a remotely detonated explosive in the middle of a pile then set it off once there's sufficient troops around to do serious damage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭Field east


    The sooner the dumps are dispersed the better as they would be an obvious target from the Ru from across the river



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Two surgeries in a few days meant missed all news of the last few days,

    Brilliant to see Ukrainans retake Kherson despite the doom and gloom of the predictions on this thread over the last few weeks,

    The question is now Where to next meipol, Mariupol, Svastaspol?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I think they had to retreat from Kherson because it was too difficult to supply weaponry. The Kerch bridge is barely functional right now, otherwise they have to transport weapons all the way across the south of Ukraine, with most railway routes being within target.

    There were satellite pics floating around during the week of Russians digging trenches in Crimea (can't seem to find them). They are expecting company down there for the winter.

    Everyone that was charged to defend Odessa, Mykolaiv, Kryvyi Rih, is now available for the East of the country. As are lot of Russians too, but the Russians will also have to defend their new front across the River from Kherson. The Ukrainians won't need to bother, as they know the Russians won't cross back over (and can't cross because they blew the bridges).

    When the Russians said they were retreating to save soldiers lives, there may have been truth in that. Not from a humanitarian perspective but from a numbers perspective. They couldn't have afforded a mass capture or surrender. Maybe there was inklings of a potential mass surrender, which is why they granted the retreat.

    They key for Ukraine now is to drive south to Melitopol and split the front into 2. Isolating the Crimea/Kherson front



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭circadian


    This was Dugins idea in foundations of geopolitics, I wonder how much sway he has in the Kremlin to get them to go along with the idea that Ukraine has no right to exist. I doubt Putin was the only one he has the ear of.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    They would want to be able to put a local accent on fairly sharpish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Maybe at a political level, but every one of those killed or wounded Russian soldiers are someone's son, husband, brother, father, nephew etc. And given the general falling birth rate as noted at top of this thread, that's going to hurt a lot. There was little appetite for conscription and less for body bags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Isn't there the small matter of a rather large river in the way?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,062 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sounds more like apathy than a gritty ability to withstand the psychological strain that death and destruction brings. The problem is that apathy cuts both ways and it impairs the will to fight. That's why Ukraine will win this conflict rather than some drunk and disorganised Russians nihilistically shrugging their way to destruction under a leader who couldn't give two shiny shítes about any of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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    Ukraine can use the river to their advantage also. They'll be able to cross it at night to harass the russians as well as shell the other bank. I don't see russia having the same crossing ability. I'd probably be looking at Melitpol and the sea next but what do I know 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    There's a bridge connecting the rail line from Crimea to Kherson oblast. If it's now striking range for Ukraine they can permanently sever all rail supplies from Crimea meaning the only good resupply route is from the East and that's within striking distance.


    Could make defending the south and cities like Melitopol and berdyansk very hard for the Russians. I feel they'll try and take Svatove and the town's along it's axis but go for a big victory in the south to cut off Crimea and the coast for good.


    If Russia keeps throwing everything at the Donbass it makes sense to stay in defence wiping out the newly mobilised. After Crimea is cut off and the south is retaken then they should go for Luhansk and Donetsk cities while leaving Crimea till last.

    Could take 12 months or longer but if Ukraine have the will I feel they'll outlast the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,817 ✭✭✭threeball


    I think they should take the respite on that front that the river provides, leave a small holding force, a few himars to keep the Russians busy then head up to Zaporizhia to open another attack towards Bahkmut and split the Russian forces, on to Donetsk and then head south, avoiding the need to cross the river until they need to. Mariupol suffered to most but unfortunately its going to have to wait til last, its too close to Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I would say that's accurate. Cut off supplies to the south and retake as much as possible.

    I would hope theyd head to Crimea sooner. Bust the Kerch bridge and sink any resupply ships. When the Russians run low on supplies then attack from land and sea.


    The Ukrainians don't have to retake every square mile of land. They need to make Putin's position untenable and push for a peace treaty that restores their borders.


    Hopefully it's a question of who cracks first. Putin or the Russian Army.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,033 ✭✭✭jmreire


    But they didn't. Why? Booby trapped maybe.? For sure here was a very large qty of munitions stored in the place showed on RTE. Maybe more will be discovered as the explore and de-mine the city.



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